Talk:Gamine

Estella?
Removed "Jean Simmons (b.1929), for example as Estella Havisham in David Lean’s 1947 adaptation of Charles Dickens’ Great Expectations" - if anything, Estella is the opposite of a gamine. She is much too sophisticated and cruel to qualify.

What about Jean Simmons per se? She is frequently cited as such. --IXIA 22:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you think of any movies where she is gamine-ish? If so, go for it. Clarityfiend 05:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. Somebody seems to have reinstated what was there before, but I'll have a think and amend as necessary.

Have added ref to Angel Face (see, eg, the picture of her on her Wikipedia entry)--IXIA 20:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

"Eponymous" is a nice word, but isn't it used the wrong way in this article? Doesn't it sound like the movie named the girl (Amelie), and not the other way around? Or am I wrong? Benjaminmyklebust 01:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You are probably right. Though it does sound nice. Will alter! IXIA 18:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
This article appears to have vandalised by someone with a penchant from Spanish. IXIA 15:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Jane Birkin?
Jane Birkin. Gamine or no? -- 201.37.229.117 (talk) 16:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Surely not anymore. But even at her beginnings, she wouldn't be considered (by French standards) a "gamine". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.132.239.86 (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Lexicography
Removed "French for a young street Arabess" : false statement.

Removed also "Gamin(e) is connected with the English “game” (in the sense of spirited)." : very dubious. The origin of the word in unknown. However there is two hypothesis : according to Gossen, the word is formed on the german stem gamm- ; according to Schmidt-Göbel, it comes from the german gemeiner(a simple soldier). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.170.23.29 (talk) 20:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

les miserables
If memory serves me correctly the word gamin was used in this book which was published around 1860, but I can only read the English translation so maybe that is not the orginal word used by the author

71.114.168.247 (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * yes - gamin is the male form of gamine, and you likely saw it describing the character, Gavroche, as well as generically in the chapter on Argot (language of the streets) The word 'gamin' also appears in Hugo's earlier work, Notre Dame de Paris (aka Hunchback of Notre Dame) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.153.241.162 (talk) 19:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

"Other gamines" section
The "Other gamines" section is just a list of skinny famous women. A few (most notably Mia Farrow and Winona Ryder) are gimmes, but most of these names are questionable at best. If anybody's up for some weeding... MrBook (talk) 21:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I've hunted down some cites for Keira Knightly from very notable publications confirming her as a gamine, but the list does need weeding.Wlmg (talk) 22:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

This misc/culture section is what makes wikipedia a laughing stock. The whole section needs to be cut out and dropped. I think we can all extrapolate from the rest of the article, who may or may not be gamine; also the list is going to be perpetually out of date, plus there is a reference to a mention in a minor book which is culturally insignificant. (08:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvisjnr (talk • contribs)

The Other gamines section is actually better sourced than the other sections. As for the list being "perpetually out of date", notability is not temporary.--Wlmg (talk) 19:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Jean Shrimpton? And unsourced names in Other Gamines
Although Jean Shrimpton's name appears in the 1960s section, I don't think she can be considered a gamine. I don't really see what was ever gamine about her, especially when you compare her to fellow 60s model Twiggy or to other 60s gamines such as Mia Farrow and Edie Sedgwick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never thought of Shrimpton as a gamine.

Also, in the Other Gamines section, I think that the names that are unsourced should be removed from the list. I have no doubt that some of those unsourced names (such as Ginnifer Goodwin and Olivia Williams) genuinely are gamine, but I have searched and cannot find any sources to back up the claim. --Lupine453 (talk) 15:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Relation to opera?
There is a long tradition in opera (interpreted in different ways in different times and places) of a youthful (and usually horny) male character being written to be sung and acted by a woman who is dressed androgynously. The specific women who have specialized in playing these parts have had a very definite tendency toward the gamine type. Whether this is because they truly enjoy playing this kind of role, or because they have the "look" that gets them hired to do it, may be a kind of chicken-and-egg question. In any case, it is a thing. TooManyFingers (talk) 08:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)