Talk:Gangsta rap/Archive 3

Notable names
Snoop Dogg should definatly be mentioned as one of the early and notable rappers in gangsta scene. He already became a rapper in 1991 during the end of NWA. So snoop should be mentioned much more than Biggie. West Coast Ryda 12:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I donno who outlined this article but how come he missed Dr._Dre. Dre got eminem n snoopy doggy d rollin, n then came 50. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.6.253 (talk) 10:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Nah
Since when did Gangsta Rap start in Philly or New York, Gangsta Rap started in only Los Angeles by Ice-T. Mcanmoocanu —Preceding comment was added at 05:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Jay-Z is Gangsta rap?
Since when has Jay-Z been considered Gangsta rap? He isn't really that hardcore with lyrics either to be considered either. I think he needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KillerSim187 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Be our guest. / edg ☺ ☭ 14:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Jay-Z is Mofasio Rap which is basically an east-coast version of Gangsta Rap, plus Mofasio Rap is more influenced by the mafia lifestyle other than black neighborhood projects lifestyle.76.101.122.31 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * So, uh... he sings about sicilian crime syndicates?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.60.163 (talk) 03:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Jay-Z's first album Reasonable Doubt was mafioso rap, which might be considered a seperate category from gangsta rap, but definitely takes its influence from there. But he has since switched to a more pop style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.146.137 (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Ice Cube
Ice Cube is one of the main pioneers of gangsta rap and helped popularize and bring it to the mainstream. Why isn't he mentioned more in the article? He should at least be mentioned on his own in the 1st section and should be mentioned on his own too without N.W.A. I know he's mentioned a bit on his own but not nearly enough. Dillon90 (talk) 09:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Fictional tv influence
Ali G purports to exemplify gangsta culture in Da Ali G show. He was a gang member of the "West Staines Massiv". Gilgamesh007 (talk) 16:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The "N word"?
Considering that comedian and activist Dick Gregory called his autobiography "Nigger" (back in the 1970s) the use of the infantile phrase seems, well, infantile in a supposedly objective article. The use of this precious euphemism caters to a specific slant on words and the entirely subjective judgment that a particular word is offensive. In a forum such as this, where discussion of those words is central to the purpose of the medium, to avoid use of the word "nigger" amounts to intellectual cowardice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.77.151.18 (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Ice-T's first song
Although Ice-T considers 6 n the mornin to be his first gangsta song, I think that The Coldest Rap introduces many of the themes. Listen here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LTyxBSKMNDo Then note:
 * If you go to 1:33 and press play, he talks about doing something with a sawed-off shotgun
 * If you go to 2:45 and press play, you can hear the words "pimp", "playa", "ho" in quick succession.

I would add a sentence about the song to the article now, but I presume that this YouTube video is not a satisfactory reference, and I cannot find the lyrics to this song, probably because it is so old. Epa101 (talk) 19:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Notable artists list
The long-standing section Early gangsta rap artists was changed to Early Gangsta Rap Artists (Mainly West Coast), necessitating (in someone's mind) a new list East Coast Gangsta and Hardcore Rap Artists (when the "Mainly West Coast" edit could simply have been reverted), until the section was re-retitled as Gangsta Rap Artists. These are two completely undiscussed and (in my opinion) terrible ideas.

Listing "early" with a cutoff date (of whenever Straight Outta Compton broke) makes a list that is reasonably easy to define and limit. As discussed previously on this Talk page (and repeatedly in the Edit history), a general list of artists will grow like a tumor. Long, unmanageable lists make this article less readable, and are prone to incessant edit warring. Such lists are seldom insightful, and waste effort that could go into developing a good article.

East Coast gangsta artists and so forth should be discussed in the article body, but not kept as a list in this article. A separate list article, would be a good place for such.

I'd like to restore the Notable artists section to this version. If anyone wants to start List of gangsta rap artists, we can copy in what was here, and let those who want to contribute to that article hammer it out there. Any objections? / edg ☺ ☭ 13:22, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If you want to move the list to it's own page, I'm fine with that. But do not remove sources from the article and replace them with OR. 66.222.227.115 (talk) 02:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Restored with sources retained; new list is moved to new article List of gangsta rap artists. / edg ☺ ☭ 12:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Use of term African American in Introduction
'Some commentators (for example, Spike Lee in his satirical film Bamboozled) have criticized it as analogous to black minstrel shows and blackface performance, in which performers – both black and white – were made up to look African American, and acted in a stereotypically uncultured and ignorant manner for the entertainment of audiences.' As black minstrels groups were formed in other countries as well as the USA, then the term African American is incorrect and is racist i.e. assuming all peoples of african descent currently not living in the African continent are American. It should be changed to "African Descent". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.137.63.86 (talk) 14:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

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