Talk:Garbage in, garbage out/Archive 1

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The quote is alleged to come from Passages from the Life of a Philosopher. According to page 67 of the Google books scan of that quote, the word "comprehend" does not appear. The full quote is, according to the Google books scan: On two occasions I have been asked,--Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out? In one case a member of the Upper, and in the other a member of the Lower, House put this question. I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.203.201 (talk) 18:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


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move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 18:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
GIGO → Garbage In, Garbage Out … Rationale: better name but obstructed move

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 * Support. David Kernow 08:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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 * I have reduced the page history of Garbage In, Garbage Out to a single redirect --Henrygb 21:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


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Conversion of quote style
According to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style:

"especially avoid decorative quotation marks in normal use, such as those provided by the cquote template, which are reserved for pull quotes)"

- WP:MOSQUOTE -- SPhilbrick  T  19:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Source of Garbage in Garbage Out
From what I am aware, It was actually Stephen Wilfred Hey who coined the phrase Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Stephen Hey was a friend of mine and I paste here part an article from one of his colleagues at PC PLus magazine. (Stephen was known as 'Wilf' Hey)

In memory of Wilf Hey In the afternoon of 2nd January 2007, Wilf Hey died peacefully in hospital following a gradual deterioration of his health.

Wilf Hey had worked on PC Plus since issue 51 and, with over 200 issues behind him, was by far the longest standing contributor to the magazine.


 * Irrelevant material redacted to avoid copyright violation. Full article available online. --Cyber cobra (talk) 09:32, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

For those that didn't know him, you've probably heard of some of the things that he has done or had a hand in:

He was one of the developers of the UPC bar code that you see on virtually all goods bought in shops; He was one of the inventors of a computer programming language called RPG (Report Program Generator) when he was working for IBM - although it was invented in the 1960s, it has evolved and is currently RPG IV (or 'ILE RPG'); and, He was the person who came up with 'Garbage in: garbage out' or GIGO. When I did computer studies in 1974, I was taught this - I never dreamed that I would end up working with the very person who coined the phrase. For those who did know him as a friend, he will be remembered for his generosity, wisdom and cats.

Wilf, it has been a pleasure knowing you and working with you.

You will note that this refers to his coining of the phrase. This article and others like it can be found by typing Wlf Hey into google.

Stephen was a much admired man and I feel he deserves the recognition for his achievements.

Would the OP please investigate this regarding his/her article and amend accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hagar 2011 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The first footnoted source in the article contradicts this. I have no idea whether PC PLus magazine is a reliable source or not. Also, Wikipedia articles are not owned by anyone; the article creator's opinion is not inherently privileged over anyone else's. --Cyber cobra (talk) 09:23, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 18:26, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Garbage In, Garbage Out → Garbage in, garbage out –

Like other WP articles on common phrases: per WP:CAPS ("Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization") and WP:TITLE, this is a generic, common term, not a propriety or commercial term, so the article title should be downcased. In addition, WP:MOS says that a compound item should not be upper-cased just because it is abbreviated with caps. Lowercase will match the formatting of related article titles. Tony  (talk)  11:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Nom says it all. --Cyber cobra (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. No justification for capitals here. N oetica Tea? 22:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support as uncontroversial per nom. --Pnm (talk) 04:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
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See also - tax choice
Tax choice is relevant to garbage in, garbage out because economics is like a computer.


 * Garbage in: people don't value watermelons
 * Garbage out: farmers won't grow watermelons


 * Truth in: people value watermelons X amount
 * Truth out: farmers will grow Y amount of watermelons

The "computer" needs all our spending decisions in order for the output to be accurate. If, however, we just allowed a few people to input their spending decisions...then the output would not be as accurate. This is the difference between a market economy and a command economy. Tax choice would allow taxpayers to choose which government organizations they gave their taxes to. This would input everything they know/value into the computer which is why the output would be far more accurate than it currently is. --Xerographica (talk) 09:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Usage in audiology
Hi User:Discpad. Please use BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. I reverted (or rather deleted) you section about usage in audiology (your addition here and your revert here). Please discuss before you revert changes that have been reverted.

I deletede the section about usage in audiology because the source did not mention GIGO or garbage. At the time I was not able to verify the claim. The source for the claim was this article, summary here. I have again looked at the complete article and have searched the document for the words "GIGO" and "garbage" and did not get any hits. I have also tried to search the journal in question for the word GIGO and finds a Mr. Gigo-Benato.

The section needs sources, please provide reliable sources for the usage of GIGO in audiology. The alleged use should not be included on User:Discpad's say so only. If no relaiable sources are provided the section should be removed again. Regards. -- ツツDyveldi ☯ prattle  ✉ post 10:34, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have now taken out this section
 * It is used in audiology to describe the process that occurs at the dorsal cochlear nucleus (DCN) when auditory neuropathy spectrum disorder is present. This occurs when the neural firing from the cochlea has become unsynchronized, resulting in a static-filled sound being input into the DCN and then passed up the chain (hence the "GIGO" nomenclature) to the auditory cortex. 
 * This has been disputed since 2014. The source does not mention GIGO or garbage and cannot be used as a source for the section. I have again tried to search for possible sources in the database belonging to the University Library of Oslo and have been unable to find articles mentioning "dorsal cochlear nucleus" or "auditory neuropathy" in combination with GIGO or in combination with "garbage in".
 * -- If sources is found please present them, in the meantime please do not add this disputed section to the article.

I doubt the source of citation 1
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/55787725/ requires a subscription, and the History article never clearly says the phrase in question is exactly contained were one to subscribe to see it. Also - most OLD periodicals are available free from libraries.

it appears one can write articles in an attempt to get people to pay for subscription or rather, cite pay up subscriptions to HIDE whether the article is lying - or let's say stretching the truth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8806:401:AFD0:F0F7:934B:DF77:66EA (talk) 18:20, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Uses - in statistics
The IP was right - this section is gibberish. And I cannot see how the text is supported by the sources. Either this section should be clarified, or it should be deleted. Sweet6970 (talk) 10:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Since there has been no clarification, I have deleted the sub-section. Sweet6970 (talk) 09:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Modern Computing
I think it should be mentioned that "Gargabe in, garbage out" is often an excuse or explanation for a failed algorithm. However, it is generally the opposite of the principles of modern computing. Generally the goal is to validate inputs as thoroughly as possible and fail fatally if the data is 'garbage'. (See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_handling) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.0.182.101 (talk) 12:52, 30 October 2020 (UTC)