Talk:Garden of Remembrance (Dublin)

It's misleading
As it stands, it's misleading; "because the majority of people do not consider its campaign of violence legitimate". The same applies to the anti-Treaty IRA campaign. The difference is that the support of the latter achieved a critical mass the former did not.

Lapsed Pacifist 10:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm a bit puzzled by "critical mass" here; what exactly do you mean? I take it that you're referring to a certain size of minority, but what size is that (and how was it determined)> --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 22:19, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

A minority large enough to quickly become a majority. Although anti-Treatyites were in the minority during the civil war (63 to 44 in the '23 election), nine years later, (after eschewing violence) the same people took power democratically. No political party in Ireland has since achieved that level of support (i.e. the '23 result) while involved in or supporting subversion.

Lapsed Pacifist 19:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * But we're talking about the present here ("the majority of people do not consider its campaign of violence legitimate"), not the 1920s. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:07, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

It's unclear whether or not a majority of people today consider the anti-Treaty IRA's violence justified, yet that's not mentioned. It's also unclear in the article exactly what post-civil war group is being referred to, although I presume it is the Provisional IRA.

Lapsed Pacifist 20:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Irish Civil War
I'm puzzled by the comment The Irish Civil War is generally not commemorated there, as it is still a politically divisive issue. I can see why nobody would want to commemorate it - for one thing, it would be difficult to decide who should be commemorated there and which actions. I thought that it had ceased being divisive some decades ago - the date 1970 sticks in my mind for some reason. (Was it because of the Troubles that it became less important or was the deaths of those who felt most strongly about it?) Autarch 19:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Other Groups Commemorated
As stated, the garden is dedicated to all those who gaves their lives for Irish Freedom, therefore it must also be used to commemorate the Provisional IRA, INLA and other groups? No specific group is mentioned to ensure it was a catch-all memorial. While many may not agree with them - they were fighting for Irish Freedom.

Seeing as its an Irish government monument to those fighting for Irish freedom its highly unlikely it commemorates campaigns undertaken by organizations such as PIRA or INLA who do not recognize the legitimacy of the Irish State and were/are illegal organizations within the Irish state. The IRA has been banned since the 1930s and INLA was banned pretty much from its inception. According to http://www.tourist-information-dublin.co.uk/garden-of-remembrance.htm it only commemorates up until the War of Independence. --Bigmeuprudeboy (talk) 17:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Children of lir
I recall hearing something about the statue. That it is inspired by the Children but is not the children, as their a too many swans, I've found this not much really if anything to base a change on .Any one else recall this Gnevin (talk) 20:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)