Talk:Gareth Evans (politician)

Reasons for Non-Neutral Point of View tag
The second and third paragraph of the 1990-1998 section are highly non-neutral in tone ("astonishingly naive", "replete with champagne") and unsatisfactorily referenced (especially the Soares and John Pilger citations). This bit really needs cleanup. Oscillon (talk) 07:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Add a Criticism Section
I for one am very fond of R2P and other Evansian innovations, but it is probably best to simply add the Pilger-type criticisms to one section that gives the piece a bit of balance, as it stands now, it is too hagiographic. There is not need to either accept or deny the veracity of the Pilger criticisms, but rather what is needed is mentioning them as part of the POV of Evans' critics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.137.35.130 (talk) 00:14, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Evans and apologia for Indonesian military violence
The contribution here about Evans's tolerance, etc, of the Santa Cruz massacre and other events, is, imho, quite important stuff. However, it lacks the citations which we consider essential for potentially damaging content about a living person. I've deleted some of the most arbitrary and irrelevant matter and tagged other statements for citations. (Some of them are common knowledge, but still require verification to be included in Wikipedia.) Incidentally, I was chagrined to find citations in the Santa Cruz massacre article which can't be followed up because they give only an author's name and page number--no title!! So I've started a discussion on that, too. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 09:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The following was sent to my talk page but probably belongs here. I am not interested in promoting anyone's career, Evans included, and of course Wikepedia is not an appropriate vehicle for such purposes. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 14:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

''Please Excuse me if this is not the place to talk about Gareth Evans. I have just concluded referencing a number of needs citation on this page to do with Evans' involvement with East Timor and Indonesia. Please don't delete the item on Evan's failed attempt at the Secretary General's position until you have read the speech by John Pilger, I have cited. Please, please help us. Having known Gareth Evans (since 1986) as I do he may just make another run at a later time. This information which is already on the public record may make a difference. 219.133.65.222 (talk) 05:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC) Dilidoug

Kernot/Democrats episode
The article states that the relationship with Kernot was not known until five years after Kernot's defection to the ALP -- I'm certain that this was reported widely in the news at the time... Anyone like to check this? You, Me and Everyone Else (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

centre-right vs centrist?
I noticed this revision changed "centre-right" to "centrist". Is this an accurate thing to do? Revision as of 21:45, 2 April 2014 49.188.23.3 Tullyis (talk) 10:49, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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Leadership positions
I wrote this bit but got reverted not once but twice, the second time was when I was asked to provide a source.

"Throughout his time as a member of both houses of Parliament, Evans served in three of the four leadership positions, deputy Senate leader, Senate leader and deputy leader in the House of Representatives. −		 −	Ironically the only leadership position he did not attain was that of party leader (in the House of Representatives) which was the very reason for his switch from the Senate to the House of Representatives."

The second time I was asked to provide a source. I don't see why I have to do that because it emphasises what has already been written by others with the leadership positions.

Deputy Senate leader and Senate leader: "Leader of the Government in the Senate, 1993–1996 In 1993, as a member of the Keating government, Senator Evans became Leader of the Government in the Senate, replacing the retiring John Button, whose Deputy he had been since 1987."

Switch from the Senate to the House of Representatives and leadership ambition: "Evans had long desired to move from the Senate to the House of Representatives, where he hoped to pursue leadership ambitions."

Deputy leader: "He was elected Deputy Leader of the Labor Party, defeating Simon Crean"

Therefore I should not be asked to provide a source to what others has already established with the leadership positions held by Evans and the reason for his switch from the Senate to the House of Representatives. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 09:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

This edit got reverted by HiLo48 who evidently not read what I wrote here before I reverted it back.

HiLo48's reason was that it is an unsourced addition.

It is not an addition. It is expansion to what was previously written. Written by others.

The previous person who made a reversion to my edit Rdp060707 has evidently accepted the reason I have given here and so should HiLo48.

It is rather telling that HiLo48 made that reversion after he made a reversion of an edit I made at the Mark Latham article.

I suspect that he looked through my edit history to deliberately find fault.

If this is the case then I ask HiLo48 to stay away from me.49.3.72.79 (talk) 15:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Please adhere to policies, and stop discussing other editors. HiLo48 (talk) 18:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

It was other editors who established the leadership positions which I had expanded upon in context and leave me alone HiLo48. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 09:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)