Talk:Garfield/Archive 3

June 18 or June 19 ??
For some reason, the article says in several places that his birthday is June 18th. However, the June 19 comic in the official site's Vault looks like the true first, and trying to go to "Prev" comics does nothing. Anybody??? This is fairly important trivia here. ;-)    Armslurp (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Where did you get the information which his birthday is 18th June? Can you point out the URL or other sources? I think that the 19th June is the only answer of the Garfield's birthday Nmns (talk) 05:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday, Garfield
When I got the book Garfield At 25: In Dogs' Years I'd be Dead, it mentioned something about Happy Birthday, Garfield on the entertainment section and had a video box cover. What is exactley Happy Birthday, Garfield, besides a TV special? Ryan Holloway 22:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Ryan Holloway

"Happy Birthday Garfield" was a documentary special aired on CBS on May 17, 1988. It was hosted by Jim Davis and featured a behind the scenes look in his studio as animators showed how the strip and animated specials were made. It featured a rare appearance by Desiree Goyette and Ed Bogas singing and composing music and Lou Rawls sang with Goyette. The special is on youtube.156.34.33.90 (talk) 14:17, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Re-addition of archived talk page content
User:Ryan Holloway re-added archived portions of this talk page, with the edit summary Why can we not have it?. Since the re-addition didn't make sense to make nor did the edit summary explain why old content (starting) from July 2006.

Please discuss on this talk page before adding it back. Thanks, xC | ☎  07:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Setting
If anyone wants to know where Garfield takes place,in the Garfield and Friends episode "Best of Breed" Garfield shows Jon a newspaper titled "Muncie Messenger". 99.230.152.143 (talk) 22:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Garfield minus Garfield

 * http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/ Shouldn´t this be mentioned somewhere? Although it ironically "lacks" the title character.88.196.224.16 (talk) 14:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Um...why? (And by the way, Garfield is in all of those strips, but his image was edited out for some reason.) Anthony Rupert (talk) 15:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it's a minor phenomenon, garnering news coverage.   &lt;eleland/talkedits&gt; 08:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the fact that it's actually FUNNY - unlike 'Garfield'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.69.81.2 (talk) 20:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Other wiki pages include if something is being parodied. So clearly this needs to be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.231.129.52 (talk) 10:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This would be a good addition. Here is a April 6, 2008 Washington Post article which quotes Jim Davis on the subject. -- ToET 02:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Garfield Minus Garfield has been mentioned in this article for months. Powers T 13:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

lasagna cat
There is a link to LasagnaCat.com tribute to garfield in External Links section, but there is no mention of this project in the article itself ... I think it should be either 1)in the article somewhere and then in the links or 2)none of these .... this looks more like spam (I know it is not, because the LasagnaCat.com project is great, but well, it should be at least mentioned before linking)--Have a nice day. Running 03:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I read an article in The Onion that of course itself was a parody (like everything in The Onion) about Garfield written from an Onion reporter who has stumbled upon this unknown secret gem (Garfield) and tells people they should discover it, too. Anyway, she says how Garfield likes lasagna and his bed *IS* a lasagna pan. All of sudden, something clicks in my mind and it makes *total* sense to me! Is there any truth to this or is this Onion reporter assuming? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.63.153 (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * im so glad to know the onion is a parody i had been beliving it —Preceding unsigned comment added by A plague of rainbows (talk • contribs) 13:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Garfield's bed is not a lasagna pan. Once, though, he does try to trick Jon by dressing up a lasagna pan and lying in it, with his blanket covering him.  And with the pan full of lasagna, of course.  --67.170.119.241 (talk) 04:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

marriage is not a prerequisite for conception
but the further mystery occurs as to how Jon could even have a niece if his only brother, Doc Boy, is not married.
 * the mystery vanishes —Preceding unsigned comment added by A plague of rainbows (talk • contribs) 15:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Cartoonist
Jon's never seen actually drawing, but check out the comic for September 14th 1978. Looks almost as if he was drawing before getting distracted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.157.223.54 (talk) 20:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

?
Jon BL's in all the cartoons.

I deleted this statement, it means nothing. it needs to be reworded or referenced. What the hel does BL as a verb mean? --Brideshead (talk) 08:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Professor Garfield
I agree with the proposal to merge Professor Garfield here. 72.93.75.172 (talk) 04:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article could stand some cleanup: the themes and settings section could use some copyediting (reliable references and such) so it doesn't violate Wikipedia's no original research policy, the criticism section could probably be moved into a larger section dealing with the influence/impact of the strip, and the article on whole definitely needs more references (preferably of the print variety.) Since there are other articles on comic strips that are featured (Krazy Kat, Calvin and Hobbes), they can be used as a model for this article.
 * I'd say that all of the references to individual strips should be removed as well. For the most part, they are unnecessary, and there are way too many. Seriously, do we need a quote at the end of almost every sentence? Player 03 (talk) 18:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll do what I can, but if you're interested, Google News is a good place to start looking for references (be aware that some of the sites require a fee to view the articles); also, if you have books on the subject (not just the comics themselves, but books that touch on the history, production, etc.—Garfield: 20 Years and Still Kicking is an example), that would be helpful.

The Transmogrifier (talk) 06:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Where'd the criticism section go? This page needs one on so many levels (merchandising, content, Davis' staff). Nothing on the Davis page either. Km9000 (talk) 22:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb (talk) 16:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Problems
The Vault has been redesigned, but unfortunately, the direct linking to a cartoon no longer works. Can someone find an alternate way? Kimera Kat (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There are print versions of the strips, so they could probably be used as references. I wouldn't know the proper method of citing them though unless they were from a newspaper or treasury/collection book or something like that. Ink Runner (talk) 20:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I found an alternate way. pt.jikos.cz/garfield is the address of the site. It has every Garfield comic from June 19, 1978 to present. --63.3.7.2 (talk) 23:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Garfield's speech
It should be mentioned that Jon can occasionally understand Garfield's "thoughts" if it is conveniant for the strip. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.113.101 (talk) 21:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

According to Jim Davis, John cannot understand Garfield's thoughts even though it may seem that way.Things 2 do (talk) 22:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

New series?
"A second series will premiere on Cartoon Network in 2009. The series will be based on the CGI direct-to-DVD movies." I'd like to ask for a source for this statement. I didn't see one anywhere in the article. As a Garfield and Friends fan, I hope it's not true, but that's just me. --Alice2 (talk) 03:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the reliability of these sources, but...


 * http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/international/europe/news/2008/06/new_garfield_slopes_over_to_cartoon_network.html


 * http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/06/30/new-cg-garfield-to-air-on-cartoon-network/


 * http://news.awn.com/index.php?ltype=top&newsitem_no=23758


 * Ink Runner (talk) 05:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! There's not a whole lot of information on it yet, huh? --Alice2 (talk) 05:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

June 19, 1978
I am having trouble reconciling June 19, 1978 with my memory. I started a job in Salt Lake City in January 1978. While I was in SLC, one of the papers (I subscribed to both the Salt Lake Tribune and the Deseret News) started running Garfield. I clipped a Garfield cartoon and put it on the bulletin board at work, which I titled "reaching your goals". I was already a Garfield fan, and I think I had been a fan for weeks. I left that job and SLC on July 5.

So this timing just feels too tight. I see that one of the references uses the June 19 date, but do we have a second source? Randall Bart    Talk   20:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. I found at Garfield's web site the strip in question ran June 27. It was only the ninth strip run, and I was already a big fan. When I got back to Los Angeles, I showed my sister another Garfield strip I had clipped. She rolled her eyes and said "another cartoon cat", but I knew this cat was going places. I had clipped two strips in just three weeks. Wow.  Randall Bart    Talk   20:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Recurring subjects and themes section
...is way too big. Almost nothing there is sourced (and it reeks of original research), so I'm going to cut out a lot of the unnecessary stuff. Ink Runner (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Garfield Gets Real aka Garfield 3D
Garfield Gets Real (also known as Garfield 3D in some regions) is a computer-generated animated, direct-to-video movie starring Garfield the Cat. Why isn't this movie mentioned in the main article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garfield_Gets_Real —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.198.249.57 (talk) 20:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

TV specials, Lou Rawls
I have always felt that the writing of the TV specials was extremely good, and the animation of the Ghost pirates on the Halloween Special was incredible animation. I think the Specials need their own section, possibly their own page.

Nobody has mentioned that Lou Rawls was the singing voice of Garfield in the 1980's TV specials. He did an excellent job. I don't have time to do research on this, but it is mentioned in the Lou Rawls article here on wiki. It should at least be credited and mentioned in the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Rawls —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.28.216.212 (talk) 08:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Suspect History section
The history section looks strange, borderline vandalism. Lots of out of place formatting issues, and references that point to random pages from reputable sources that are unrelated to the statement with the annotation. Use of the names 'cody', 'kyle', etc also look suspect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.38.3 (talk) 19:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it was vandalism. The article is back to normal now.

wolvesnthemist (talk) 22:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Criticism section
I've removed it wholesale. Basically, these are all humor websites or self-published sources, which should not be used. None of the listed (smoking, xkcd, Maddox, or even this YouTube video) are experts in the field of comic books. Use of Maddox as a source for other things (Loose Change, Elizabeth Smart, Aaron Ralston) has also been removed from those pages. They are simply not notable. hbdragon88 (talk) 16:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've restored the section, as I disagree with your assessment of the notability of these sites. MikeWazowski (talk) 05:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * C'mon, Mike. Debate with me.  What about my assessment do you disagree with? Don't just say "I disagree" and let it be at that. hbdragon88 (talk) 18:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

To put it simply, we are giving WP:UNDUE weight to criticism since the sources reference themselves and are not being covered by a third-party source. We are linking to the site themselves. That does not establish notability or actual criticism. hbdragon88 (talk) 18:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

-- Powers T 18:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Influences?
Which comic strips influenced Garfield? Could someone tell me ASAP? BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 16:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Importance
I think that Garfield should not be only mid importance in the assessment. The strip has had a powerful influence on the comic community, and is still incredibly popular to this day. If Calvin and Hobbes is considered Top importance, shouldn't this be considered top, or at least high. Coby (talk) 04:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm talking about WikiProject Comics. Coby (talk) 04:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I would expect them both to be High-importance, but I'm not very familiar with that WikiProject. I would suggest bringing it to the attention of project members at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Assessment; you'll likely get a better response.  Powers T 14:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

More Games
There were much more Garfield games - there is a whole wikipedia category about it

--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Garfield_video_games

The article gives the impression as if "big fat hairy deal" is the only game which is just not true. Maybe it would be better to link to the category Garfield_video_games or at least list the other games? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.189.218.115 (talk) 22:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Image
I have an image here showing the main cast of Garfield (Garfield, Jon, Liz, Odie, Arlene, Nermal, and Pooky). I made it myself by taking bits of different strips and editing the photos togesther as one. May I upload it? It would update the image shown on this page to feature every character of Garfield. --Codyrox (talk) 22:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Missing Odie Citation
The PC here is throwing up javascript and login errors (IE 7...) I am unable to get the citation feature to work, but in the Odie section there is a missing citation re: Odie's tongue being pulled out. The strip being referred to is June 17, 1990

Can someone with a FUNCTIONING browser make that entry?

152.132.9.8 (talk) 09:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC) Brad Wilmot

Heathcliff?
Heathcliff came years before Garfield and looks exactly like him. Why is there no mention of the obvious rip off, (or influence at best) from this original strip? Heathcliff takes off and then a few years later Davis comes up with ANOTHER fat, round-faced, bright orangem wisecracking cat comic strip? Come on! Admiral Bimbo (talk) 20:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Find some reliable sources. Anything else is original research.  Powers T 21:57, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Political?
It seems like stretching it to say that the earliest strips contained "moderately conservative" commentary based on one strip making a snarky remark about inflation. Yes, this is political commentary, but conservative? Just because it was poking fun at the Carter Administration? Jon Stewart makes fun of the Obama Administration all the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.160.99.172 (talk) 22:42, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, that whole section is rife with speculation sourced only to individual strips. It needs more secondary sources.  In the meantime, I've removed the bit about political commentary, as a single strip referring to "the administration" hardly counts as commentary.  Powers T 00:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Gmail
The only citation is Slashdot comments, that may well be spoof. There is no evidence in Internet Archive or elsewhere, so this may well be untrue. Justinc (talk) 08:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

The internet archive lists Garfield.com as having an "e-garfield" email account on the domain "e-garfield.com" - NOT "gmail.com"Internet archive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.184.253 (talk) 08:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

George the Monkey?
Why does it say George the Monkey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.0.226 (talk) 20:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's been fixed. —PC-XT+ 04:12, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Some Firsts

 * These are all 1978. First Lasagne July 15. First Girl Scouts (with cookies) July 31. Lyman first appeared August 7. Odie August 8, but was not named till Aug 10. First diet Aug 28. First hate Mondays September 18. First old neighbours October 8 (woman named Thelma, later Reba). First Pooky October 23. First Nap Attack November 6.


 * These are all 1979. First Caped Avenger March 26. First appearance of a mouse 19 Aptil 1979. Named Squeak November 2 1984 after many transformations. First stuck up a tree April 26. First Waitress June 9 (she had white hair, then black hair next appearance July 21, and called Irma October 9). First camping June 11. First Garfield's birthday June 19 (birthday of the strip). First Vet Liz June 26, not named till 27th. First singing on fence July 15. First bird bath August 12. First Nermal September 3. September 9, first flower bed. First at beach November 8.


 * These are all 1980. First visit to the farm, Garfield meets Jon's mother and father on February 13. First laying in sun April 10. Garfield first meets his grandpa November 10. First Arlene December 17.


 * First Jon's Grandma Jan 25, 1982. First Jon's brother Doc, May 17, 1983. First Amoeba Man June 20, 1983. First both neighbours named (Hubert and Reba) Dec 4, 1983.


 * 1984. First Garfield's conscience Jan 9. May 26, first talking scale. First Uncle Roy on TV, June 4. First rubber chicken June 19, named "Stretch" on 20th. First Garfield's mom December 11 and first Grandfather on 14th.


 * 1985. First Sumo Cat January 21, became Karate Cat on 24th. February 28, first Mystery Meat (living in the fridge). March 13, first Binky the Clown. May 1, cousin Judy and daughter Tammy comes to stay. On 2nd, her little boy Stevie introduced. July 22, Odie became Mr Skins, helping Garfield out with his fence act. August 28, Odie became "Slurp", the Caped Avenger's sidekick.


 * 1988. Uncle Roy on TV, May 23, 1988.


 * 1990. April 23. John called Carp-Face (school nick-name). November 4, Sunday strip called Garfield and Odie (only time?).(84.236.152.71 (talk) 19:42, 26 April 2015 (UTC))

The same again
April 14, 1980 and April 14, 1981 are both exactly the same strip, even to the 4-14 dating. April 19, 1986 and April 19, 1987 are the same, even to the 4-19 dating.(84.236.152.71 (talk) 13:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC))

Great job
The real news people at the Washington Post etc have taken time to update the world on yall's great job on the Garfield gender controversy. 50.201.7.90 (talk) 03:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well that's not really fair, Garfield is TOTALLY a transfurotherkin, these nice editors were just doing their job by removing a contribution that didn't cite any sources. Can't have unsourced material on Wikipedia! 74.215.30.124 (talk) 01:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2017
173.230.160.23 (talk) 14:40, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

He is the leader of the Gorganites, has a mild foot fetish. Was offered a position in the foot clan, is actually a dog from the planet mordor.
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