Talk:Gartner/Archives/2012

Page in general need of updating
Over the coming days, I'm going to update this page. It's woefully out of date and misleading. I'll provide evidence or clear reasons for all the changes I make. 11 June 2008 Hobster (talk) 20:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Broken links
Reference 7 is a broken link.--Sebastian Stadil 15:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Rather than AfD
I know they are notable. Would you like me to edit to remove items that will bring them in line? Please use my talkpage. meatclerk 20:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

My opinion
Sure, Gartner is notable. But this article doesn't demonstrate either the notability or the verifiability. It would be best to improve it ... Brian 20:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)btball

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.99.221.180 (talk) 05:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Thanks meatclerk
Thanks, that's better. It still really needs more independent sources than the Gartner website to pass WP:CORP. Nice start. Brian 20:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)btball
 * I've cleaned out most of the advertising stuff. It's up to the other authors to improve on this. I'll PROD of AfD again, if need be. meatclerk 20:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Another Opinion
Despite the fact that my posts are regularly derided (not that I'm complaining), I spent a lot of time researching Gartner, its history, its founder and its contribution to the REsearch and Advisory industry -  founded by the eponymous Gideon Gartner. Someone (I believe from Gartner) erased everything I wrote, converting it back to an ad. Hmmmm ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afbcasejr (talk • contribs) }


 * Please, sign your comments in the future!
 * As for your comment - you must be kidding? Your version of this article was even more like like advertising! Futurix 02:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Current PROD 2006/12/14
I support PROD. This article has shown no improvement and remains weak. Will support AfD. --meatclerk 07:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why PROD again after repeated tries over several years.? I look forward to discussing the AfD, for an attempt to remove the article about probably the largest IT consulting firm. Just needs some unbiased edits, and refs.DGG 04:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Material added
1. fields of business, rewritten using info from its website, the best source. 2. references--its published/blogged/posted work and articles about it. 3. business history, a little, same amount as other corporations.
 * more tomorrow. DGG 05:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

AFD
Shame on user:NickelShoe for doing the lazy thing and nominating this instead of actually taking the time to fix it, and also on anyone considering supporting it. The purpose of AFD is not to get articles improved. This company is so obviously notable it is ridiculous and the nom borders on bad faith. Stop whining and start working. sofixit. pschemp | talk 14:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

There was definitely some loaded language in this page, like the use of the word "buzz-words" and saying that Gartner has a lack of IT knowledge. What's that about?

Jaystannard 20:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)JayStannard

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

A history of dodgy predictions
I agreed that Gartner is notable but this page doesn't do them justice. Gartner are mostly notable for crystal ball style IT predictions and analysis, which often miss the mark simply because it's impossible to predict the future. It should be possible to find citations to bring this article into line with reality. A couple of examples are the death of computer mice http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/117291,computer-mouse-heading-for-extinction.aspx and apple utterly dominating the mobile phone market in 2009 http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/apple-responsible-for-994-of-mobile-app-sales-in-2009.ars. Gartner fill the niche of providing guidance and analysis to company decision makers who lack the knowledge and experience to guide themselves, this isn't reflected in the article at all. Unixtastic (talk) 12:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, it is possible to predict the future, and the literature is replete with the creatives, the dreamers, and the crazies who do it while being told they can't. You just have to know who is talking crap and who is not. It is generally a historical fact that those who most accurately predict the future do so because they are making observations outside their field of expertise.  This flies in the face of what we expect, since we traditionally rely on experts within a specific field who specialize in predictions about their niche. But when you look at innovation in history, you see quite clearly, that these people are not the leaders but the losers.  If you were to talk to the MIS directors of every large corporation in 1993 and explain to them how the web model would dominate in just a few years, they would have thrown you out of their office and called security.  The irony that you need to understand and accept, is that the biggest opposition to innovation never comes from outside a field or from the public, but from the so-called leaders and experts who are unable to embrace changes to their habits and conditions.  This is the one constant in history that remains true.  Viriditas (talk) 07:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect there is some truth in what you say, You make a good point. However Gartner are not the predictors or creators of the future. They are pretending to be experts in an established field in order to sell guidance to people who know less than them. They are not independent thinkers or visionaries. Unixtastic (talk) 22:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Mobile Device Management
In this article (english and german WP) too, authors want to deny Gartners research results "Gartner 2012 Magic Quadrant for Mobile Device Management" from being worth as references for the Mobile Device Management market situation. I suggest that those authors should provide facts to document those statements. --193.138.10.41 (talk) 15:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)