Talk:Gary Barnett

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I have created a temp page at Gary Barnett/Temp
 * I attempted to rearrange the article to reflect the controversy and place it in chronological order. Lots of clarification needed. Please feel free to reassort and condense.--Mike Selinker 06:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Please realize that the old text was removed because it was a copyright violation. I'm not sure if rearranging it is even OK. NatusRoma 07:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Got it. I was wondering why it rambled so much.--Mike Selinker 17:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * After reading Copyright FAQ, it seemed to me that even your re-ordering might fall under the copyright, so I have restored the tag for now. I will ask about this on Wikipedia Talk:Copyrights. NatusRoma 02:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think your current temp page looks great, and we should just use and supplement that.--Mike Selinker 17:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Brian Cabral isn't officially recognized as an official head coach of Colorado. Yes, he was the Interim Head Coach for the 2005 Bowl Game, but the game officially goes against Barnett's record as a loss, so I don't think Cabral should be listed as preceeding or succeeding Barnett.Mecu 00:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the info box on the main page is way too wide and is distracting to the reader. I'm not quite sure how to format it so that it's a little less wide but if someone does know how then please do so.
 * It's that wide because of the awards. If they could be shortened, the whole box would be shortened. That being said, on my 1600x1200 I don't think it's too wide. I wouldn't want it anymore wide, but it's fine IMHO. That and I can't see a way to reduce it. -- MECU ≈ talk 02:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Opening summary scandal name
I believe calling it a "recruiting scandal" is valid as it is consistent with the body where it calls it a "recruiting scandal." It did involve recruits and trying to entice them. I don't think the intro needs to be as detailed as IP 130.127.230.167 wants to make it. It's a summary of the article and providing such detail isn't needed. I shall leave it as is until we can discuss and come to a conclusion. If IP 130.127.230.167 wants to change the body into the more detailed description I would be fine with that, but the summary just doesn't need all that. I would like more input from other people and if IP 130.127.230.167 agrees, we could just ask for a third opinion to help solve the matter. -- MECU ≈ talk 17:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I also support calling it a "recruiting scandal". Johntex\talk 05:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I think labeling this as a recruiting scandal is a misunderstanding of the issue. Yes, there were recruiting issues, but the dismissal of Barnett from the University is ultimately directly related to the rapes that occurred at CU and Barnett's mishandling of the discussion/interviews about those rapes. I think not labeling the issues as related to rape works to deflect responsibility from Barnett and his (and your) condoning of our rape culture. --Unsigned by User:130.127.230.167


 * I tried, and actually think you might have gotten some wording change. But with that last line, no way. -- MECU ≈ talk 22:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The authors of this page are "condoning of rape culture"? Congratutlations, that is now the new record-holder for the most extreme thing I've ever read on Wikipedia. Take your agenda and your insulting rant elsewhere. Johntex\talk 22:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Read a book about it (there are plenty), and I'm sure as a reasonable person, you would agree. The term isn't nearly as extreme as you might think it is. Try educating yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.15.83.108 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 2006 December 6
 * You seem to presume (erroneously) that I am unfamiliar with the term. I have no reason to further educate myself on the subject.  I know all I care to.  I suggest you stop making absurd claims, and stop commanding other people to "educate yourself". If anyone needs to educate themselves about anything, perhaps you should consider educating yourself on better manners. Johntex\talk 02:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Why were my comments deleted? I posted the DEFINITION of rape culture, which conveniently proves my point from above as to why it is problematic that the intro of this article doesn't mention that Barnett was fired because he allowed rapes to happen by members of the CU football team...and it gets deleted. How nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.230.167 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 2006 December 7
 * Your comments were deleted because they were irrelevant to this article. All you were doing was shouting and making personal attacks against other authors of this page by accusing them of sponsoring rape culture.  If you continue to make irrelevant remarks, they will continue to be removed.
 * Wikipedia policy is to comment on content, not contributors. The Talk pages are specifically for working on the content of the article.  They aren't general discussion boards.  Personal attacks are never tolerated.  Libel is never tolerated.  If you continue to make personal attacks and issue libel, you will be blocked from editting Wikipedia.
 * If you want to try to include in this article that Gary Barnett has sponsored rape culture, you will have to find a reputable source that makes that claim. We don't insert personal opinions like that into the article. Johntex\talk 15:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I never tried to put anything about the "rape culture" in the article. All I claimed (which is by EVERY account of the incident, TRUE) that Barnett was fired because some of his players participated in rapes. That is what I changed originally. I never mentioned the rape culture outside of the talk page. Please try to read and think more carefully. Thanks.
 * Your very own post above says, " I posted the DEFINITION of rape culture,...intro of this article doesn't mention that Barnett was fired because he allowed rapes to happen..." That certainly sounds like you want to say Barnett supports rape culture.  Also, you are still being insulting.  Please stop asking people to "...think more carefully." Thanks. Johntex\talk 17:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Johntex, seriously, you have to try to keep up here. I posted the definition of rape culture on this page..the TALK page...not in the article. Nowhere does it say I posted the definition of rape culture in the article itself. Go look at my original edit in the article. It doesn't mention "rape culture." I tried to change the intro of the article to be more accurate in stating that Barnett was fired because of rapes that happened on his watch while he was the coach. You seem to disagree that this happened. Where you lost your mind was when you refused to listen to my argument about how the deletion of my edit and your snide original and subsequent comments participate in the "rape culture" (which all took place on the TALK page, not in the ARTICLE). Keep up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.230.167 (talk • contribs) 10:04, 2006 December 7
 * Your wasting your time as long as you start and end your comments with admonishments to "keep up". Johntex\talk 02:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You can ignore my argument all you like. I have explained my actions and motivations. You might as well sit there with your hands over your ears and go "lalalalalalalalalala....I'm not listening." Because you aren't. I have proved my point. Your last response is evidence enough of that.

Northwestern point-shaving
A section about his point-shaving scandal at Northwestern (actually his players) should be included. I never knew about this until recently, but I'm not surprised. here is a story about it --68.190.212.208 22:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How is this relevant to Gary Barnett? It involved players under him at the time, but it wasn't actions by him. I fail to see how this is relevant to this article? Perhaps it would better belong on Northwestern Wildcats football? -- MECU ≈ talk 00:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Final game
It does say in the Colorado football media guide that he is credited with a final loss at Colorado in 2005, with a 7-6 overall record on Page 153. However, Mike Hankwitz coached that 2005 Champs Sports bowl game. I think the media guide may be incorrect unless that is the official policy of the University of Colorado. Group29 (talk) 22:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Colorado's website as of 07-26-2019 says the following. Barnett did not coach the Buffaloes in the Champs Sports Bowl has he stepped down from his post on Dec. 9, 2005, just over three weeks before the bowl game. He didn't coach it and should not be accountable for the loss.

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