Talk:Gary Debacker

Regarding edits to Gary Debacker

 * I added a portion called "Major Influences" which Gary wanted on his page. I used direct quotes from him, noted by the quotation marks. You added "(→Major Influences -fixed blockquotes but they still need to be cited with a source; Don't worry, I haven't deleted anything although I will be fact checking with my copies of BMX magazines & net.)" I looked over the guidelines for posting quotes, most refer to quotes taken from published sources. Since these were quotes directly from the subject of the page and unlikely to be challenged, I used quotation marks. If there is a policy I've overlooked for this, please point me to it.

Snowybunting 13:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but your "quotes" are in violation on at least two fronts, and they are interrelated:


 * First, you must include a verifiable source for your quotes. Wikipedia cannot know the veracity of the quote without them. You must cite some published work, either in hardcopy print like a book, magazine, newspaper, pamphlet; or magazine on the subject like BMX Plus! or the now defunct BMX Action, Super BMX, Bicycles and Dirt etc., or on the Internet linked to a reliable source like a newspaper like say the New York Times or a website on the subject i.e. the ABA website as examples with a link to it. For all anyone knows you are making it up. I do not mean to insult you but Wikipedia doesn't know if you are or not without verifiable sources. So you must submit independently verifiable sources otherwise your quotes could and most likely be deleted. There are liability issues here besides issues of fairness.


 * Citing sources


 * and:


 * Biographies_of_living_persons


 * The second thing you violated is the policy of No original research. That is even if your quote is accurate it will still not be allowed because again, it is not from an independent published source. Again, Wikipedia has no way of verifying if indeed Mr. Debecker requested the quotes to be in the article let alone if they are accurate or not. Even if he did authorize and request it as a fact, it is still not allowed because you researched it and it is a first hand or primary source, not a third party source like a book or internet website.


 * No_original_research


 * Also, with all due respect to Mr. Debecker, this is not his personal page. To be clear, it is not "his" page in the sense that he has proprietary ownership of it. If Mr. Debecker wants certain things included in the article he is subject to the same rules of Wikipedia you and myself are under even if he is the subject of the article. Once again Wikipedia have know why of knowing if it is Mr. Debecker himself, whether he truly authorized it or not or even if the quotes are accurate. Again there are issues of liability and simply fair play. I know it is strange to have Mr. Debecker in essence verify his own life but he must point to independent published sources, just like myself, just like you.


 * Please read the links to Wikipedia policy on the subject of source verifiability.


 * Also refer to:


 * Verifiability


 * Reliable sources


 * Remember, If you don't provide verifiable sources for those quotes, they are subject to deletion by the editors of Wikipedia, or at the very least the "citation need" marker will remain permenantly. Hunter2005 15:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There appears to be a conflict with the dates of the NBL No.1 years....BMX Plus! Jan. 1998 page 35 has Gary as the 12X No.1 for 1987. I do not have any magazines or other sources for the other years, but I think we can safely assume the other NBL stats are off by a year. Please recheck the other sources. Snowybunting 00:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)