Talk:Gary Gach

Wikipedia article flagged for cleanup
In July of 2007, a Wikipedia article about Gary Gach was flagged for clean up. As I am the subject of this article, I can attest I have read this article and find it to be 100% accurate. I further believe that said article to be neutral and that it does not "game the system" or in any other way conflict with the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia's splendid environment and culture.

Many magazines, anthologies, and books to which the article refers are hyperlinked within Wikipedia, which factor could constitute their serving as verifiable reference/source material: I.E., the magazines and books would indeed contain material contributed by the subject of the article, as attested to (as to exact dates, a bibliography is not currently available for my publications, as they span 40 years, over 150 magazines, and dozens of anthologies). There are also links at the bottom of the article, for further reference, further anchoring the article in fact.

If Wikipedia considers this statement sufficient to merit removal of the flags of July 2007, I most heartily thank you for your considerate attention to this matter. If, however, the article requires further attention, I'd be grateful for such information: my phone number and address are listed in the telephone book, and my email I believe is known to Michael Bimmler and Jose Fresco, of Wikipedia.

I appreciate your upholding the highest scholarly and journalistic ethics and integrity, and am indeed honored by your inclusion of said material concerning

Gary.gach 03:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC) Gary Gach

I am in receipt of notification via email this morning from Morning Sunshine. Thank you for clarifying much of what wasn't until now "legible," according to your standards; I will desist from actions had unintentionally muddied the matters, and thank you for your intervention. I send an email as to the photo's freedom, and hope you don't hesitate to email me again if need be. I hope this is a skillful way to reply to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary.gach (talk • contribs) 15:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Post Script of same date We do note corrections to the afoesaid article which had been input on July 21, by us, were removed, or just not ratified, by Wiki, and believe this might impair the objective neutral and nonpromotional intent of the article. For instance, Gary Gach is no longer associated with the Church for the Fellowship of All Peoples, but is rather now with the Buddhist Church of San Francisco and the Aquatic Park Center, in both cases as a volunteer. Clarification, also, of his seminal vision seemed appropriate, including the appropriate age/date. Saying that someone is a writer and a poet is redundant. Etc. But having looked, we have found no reason for abandonment or deletion by Powers That Be (PTB) at Wiki of such efforts at correction, & thus assume that Wiki PTB is aware of all this and has acted in good cause, and is just thus being redundant in mentioning this. Having also tried communicating to Morning Sunshine via her talk page but never having done this before and not seeing an example as to how to do so anywhere at Wikipedia, nor an entry point for inserting text thereto, if you could please tell her "Cám ơn" from... Yrs truly: GG. Thank you.


 * Hello Gary.gach. As far as I understand, user Morning Sunshine has concerned her/himself only with the File:Gach in 2009.jpg. My posts below and on your Talk page concern themselves more generally with your article. It is unfortunately insufficient for you, as the person about whom the article is written, to inform us of facts - it is important to understand that all content in Wikipedia must be verifiable with third-party reliable sources (please click on the blue links in the sentence to learn more). --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Ever-expanding lists need to be pruned
See WP:NOTDIR: Wikipedia is not a "complete exposition of all possible details. Rather, an article is a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject". A summary. Accordingly, the apparently ever-expanding lists of Gach's articles, periodicals, anthologies, workshops etc etc etc need serious attention, and their continual expansion makes that attention all the more urgent. This article was created as an autobiography in conflict with wp:coi guidelines, and has expanded in the same vein since, essentially with the efforts of a sole anonymous editor 71.135.*.*. --Yumegusa (talk) 08:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. --Yumegusa (talk) 19:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Making the article illegible
71.135.44.236, please explain why you are converting legible lists into impenetrable blocks of text? (Here, for example.) You are doing serious damage to the legibility of the article which will require considerable effort to put right. I have no wish to get into an edit conflict with you, but is there any reason we should not undo your edits? --Yumegusa (talk) 00:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Presumably the same IP (this time as 71.135.47.93) has continued the process of amending clear lists to impenetrable blocks of text, here. I have reverted as such changes appear to be in direct conflict with WP guidelines in WP:LAYOUT. I realise the editor may be unaware of this discussion, so have pointed at it in my edit summary. Hopefully she will engage, otherwise I will revert all her such counter-productive edits on this article in 48 hours. --Yumegusa (talk) 23:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Reverted textblocking edits as discussed above, in accordance with WP:LAYOUT. --Yumegusa (talk) 23:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

71.135.*.* strikes again
In this edit the (presumably) same anonymous editor as mentioned above has blanked the entire 'Publications' section encompassing the bulk of the article, with the edit summary "a clean sweep". Naturally I've reverted, and left a message on the user talk page, but given the editor comes in under various IP's the chances of her reading it seem remote. --Yumegusa (talk) 13:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * And again here, this time once more turning lists into text-blocks in violation of WP:LAYOUT, where we read:
 * ===Works or Publications===


 * Contents: A bulleted list, usually ordered chronologically, of the works created by the subject of the article.


 * --Yumegusa (talk) 12:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * And again, here. --candyworm (talk) 19:19, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And again, here. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 16:11, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Autobiographical edits
I have posted at User talk:Gary.gach as follows:

Hello Gary. Can I ask you please to read through Talk:Gary Gach where issues have been repeatedly raised about your edits to the Gary Gach article since 2009. The following are the most important points: In accordance with the above guidelines, I am reverting your recent edits at the article, and I would ask you to engage at Talk:Gary Gach to discuss these matters with a view to obtaining consensus before engaging in any further such edits. Thank you. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 11:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Conflict of interest: "Do not edit Wikipedia to promote your own interests, or those of other individuals or of organizations, including employers. Do not write about these things unless you are certain that a neutral editor would agree that your edits improve Wikipedia"
 * WP:NOTDIR: Wikipedia is not a "complete exposition of all possible details. Rather, an article is a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject".
 * WP:LAYOUT: Contents of Works or Publications sections: "A bulleted list, usually ordered chronologically, of the works created by the subject of the article". Not a block of solid text.