Talk:Gary Gilmore

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Was Gilmore shot by the firing squad or killed by the chair? This article contradicts its self, alluding to both methods! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.107.128.193 (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Gilmore was shot by a firing squad on 17 January 1977. http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/gilmore/begin_7.html http://www.lib.latrobe.edu.au/AHR/archive/Issue-March-1997/petch.html The electric chair reference should be taken out. Actually, the article is very clear that Gilmore was executed by a firing squad. Never mind previous comment. Actually, the article is very clear that Gilmore was executed by a firing squad. Never mind previous comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.151.143.157 (talk) 03:53, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

!!!what tard added all the nonsense? for shame! defiline wikipedia is like raping a blind person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.183.104 (talk) 00:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

The grammar in this article struck me as poor, and it is more narrative than informative. Meaningless or unnecessary phrases include:
 * "Gilmore's trial was held from October 5 to October 7, 1976 which he was quickly convicted of the murder..." - perhaps during which?
 * "Gilmore was shot by a firing squad on January 17, 1977 after angrily telling his lawyers to drop the appeals they had filed in defiance of his wishes. On the cold winter morning on January 17, 1977 ..." - date is repeated, on is repeated, and cold winter morning seems subjective.
 * --142.151.168.75 20:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

No mention of the song by the adverts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.24.89 (talk) 14:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

A lot of the things in this article are in contradiction to The Executioner's Song - Gilmore's last words in the novel "Let's do this" seem more likely than "Aim small miss small" - Also, I believe Mailer says there were only 4 riflemen and specifically mentions that they were not prison guards. Furthermore, we have talk of a song by the Adverts but no mention of Nicole Baker and their suicide pact? This article needs attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.15.12 (talk) 21:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The "chair" mentioned is the chair that Gilmore was strapped to when he was SHOT. It does not refer to the Electric Chair I agree that repetitivness makes the article seem a little verbose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.192.124.151 (talk) 01:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

In The Executioners Song, i thought his last words were something in latin, he said something to the prison priest —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dajay9319 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Lynchings?
Okay, so there may not have been any lynchings as such, but what should we take from the phrase "first person LEGALLY executed in the United States after the death penalty was reinstated in 1976"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.150.236 (talk) 11:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

4 blanks ? I always thought that firing squad of 5 people justed 4 real bullets and only 1 blank ? In this article the opposite is quoted, whats the true ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.136.31.190 (talk) 18:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No, the article says that there were 5 shooters, 4 of which were supposed to have live rounds and 1 with a blank. But when the body was examined, 5 entry wounds were allegedly found. Maybe there were 5 live rounds, but maybe, depending on the caliber weapon used, ricochet off the chair or another hard obstacle (even bones) could be possible. There is no detail of "entry" vs. "exit" wounds found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.192.124.151 (talk) 01:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Triviacruft => Reactions
We all know trivia sections are discouraged, and in this particular instance, it seems really out of place, more so than normal. Any objections to just deleting the whole thing? Better yet, move some of it to a "reactions" section. StaticElectric (talk) 08:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is it me being stupid, but the reference to Houdini as the father seems wrong. Houdini died in 1926, Gilmore was born in 1940. If this is true, thats one long gestation period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.21.119.119 (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ha ha! Yes, it would be a long gestation period for sure. However, the allegations of an illegitimate child fathered by Houdini referred to Gary Gilmore's FATHER being that child, not Gary (who was born in 1940). His father was easily of the correct age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.192.124.151 (talk) 01:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
OK, can we get rid of this insane trivia section? It's one of the worst in the encyclopedia. --jpgordon:==( o ) 04:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

At least 60% of this article is uncited
A huge portion of this article has been tagged as uncited for over 9 months. If assertions are not cited then they are subject to deletion. I would not like to see that happen but assertions must be cited. If you have an interest, please review the article correct the citations as you can. Veriss (talk) 06:01, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Military Service?
At the time of his execution I recall reading in at least one news periodical that Gilmore was a "former [U.S.] Marine", but further details lacked. (The U.S. still had conscription when he came of age.) Worth investigating this claim, those with access to better sources than I.Cloptonson (talk) 22:26, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Mental Health Diagnoses
Do we have any better citations about Gilmore's diagnoses than a broken link to a TV show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:a000:122d:d:ac0b:28fc:1db2:51fa (talk) 18:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

What About the Victims?
The basic way criminals are dealt with in popular culture is to humanize the criminal while ignoring the crime victim. Here, weren't the victims equally human and important, but it is only the murderer who gets all the attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.216.213 (talk) 05:07, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 16 August 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. DrKay (talk) 12:31, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Gary Gilmore (criminal) → Gary Gilmore – Per Primary topic. Clearly this Gary Gilmore is the primary topic. His infamous story and case is an important part of United States history. No other Gary Gilmore on the current disambiguation article comes even close to his level of notability. I think we should rename this article to Gary Gilmore and rename the current Gary Gilmore article to Gary Gilmore (disambiguation). Similar with how the George Floyd articles have been handled following Primary Topic. Inexpiable (talk) 14:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support Clearly the primary topic. -- Jayron 32 16:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Gary Gilmore (criminal) → Gary Gilmore, but also support Gary Gilmore disambiguation page → deleted to make room for move and oppose Gary Gilmore → Gary Gilmore (disambiguation) per WP:ONEOTHER. A hatnote at Gary Gilmore — For the college coach, see Gary Gilmore (baseball) — would suffice. Not similar to the George Floyd (disambiguation) page since that dab page has four other entries containing the name "George Floyd" within each entry's main title header bluelink. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. Very clear primary topic. Keep the disambiguation page, as it has more than just one entry and hatnotes can get too cluttered. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support but keep the DAB, in addition to the two named by Roman Spinner there is also a Gary Gilmour. User:力 (power~enwiki, π,  ν ) 00:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)