Talk:Gary Goodyear

Background in Science
Why does the "Education and chiropractic career" section say he has a background in science? It looks like he didn't get a university degree, he did chiropractic (which is medicine), and some PR/management stuff. So where's the science background? Rotiro (talk)

Citation
I would like a citation that he was ELECTED to chair of the Procedure and House Affairs Committee. I don't dispute that he is chair. I am a political Junkie, and I do not know who this guy is, never heard of him, so I have asked a specialist on these matters to overlook this entry. Pete Peters 19:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace?
This may be splitting hairs, but Goodyear can't have been born in Cambridge in 1958 as the city didn't yet exist. Does anybody happen to know in which of Galt, Hespeler, or Preston he was born? --Saforrest (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem of daily news in an encyclopedia
I think it would be better if we avoided day-to-day news items, unless/until a story proves it has staying power. In the lastest case, we have a minister refusing to answer a question, a supposed controversy over the refusal, and finally an answer; all in the same day. If we must keep this trivia, it will be necessary to reword it, to attribute in the body itself who is saying what, rather than attributing claims to "some scientists and educators". --Rob (talk) 07:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree, also, why is there the story about the Royal Society included? 142.58.118.228 (talk) 18:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Day to Day news is often placed on Wikipedia. If people stop caring, then it can be changed.--Champben2002 (talk) 19:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the wrong approach to an encyclopedia. We're not a place to cover trivial passing items, but a place to write about notable things.  If something is really notable, it remains so.  A lot of junk goes into Wikipedia, and a lots cleaned up.  --Rob (talk) 07:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You don’t think a first-world nation having a Minister Of Science And Technology who possibly rejects the foundation of modern biology is notable? — NRen2k5 (TALK), 22:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * A lot of junk does go on Wikipedia and it is refined to laconic precision. The more junk the better as we're able to selectively include which information is relevant after it has been deposited. This is not any regular encyclopedia, it's a real time collaboration. I don't see why we should filter the content for the sake of brevity, so long as we maintain accuracy and stick to the topic.
 * I think it is important to note that the evolution controversy is the centrepiece of this article and the page would no largely overlooked if not for it. Ought we not cater to the information that those who are searching Wikipedia seek? Orvn (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Views on Evolution
I added a few phrases to clarify what he has and hasn't said on Evolution. Evolution is clearly not a very well understood theory in the general population and creationists have been known to manipulate the meanings of terms (like theory and intelligent design) so I think its worth being a bit more precise on exactly what is being said and what the ramifications of that are. I think that type of context will help people understand the story.

It might also help if someone would write something that would indicate that Christians do not have to believe in Christianity and that Evolution is accepted by nearly all scientists. --Champben2002 (talk) 19:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that's really going off-topic. It's absurd that we're now using answersingenesis.org as a source.  It's both an unreliable and irrelevant source of information.  The changes made are just synthesis.  And I don't agree we need to add "context" about evolution.  There are other articles to discuss evolutionary science and creationism, and it would be rather redundant, if we add a tutorials to ever article, on the meaning of terms.  The beauty of links, is we can link to a term, and those wanting to learn more, can click on them. This is a biography about a cabinet minister who said he accepts evolution, with a short delay in answering.  On a minor point, it would be greatly appreciated, if when adding sources, you could use a "cite" tag to format footnotes properly, and give required information about the source you're using, as opposed to a raw url.  --Rob (talk) 08:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Its hardly off-topic. Your answer shows as much. He did not clarify whether he believes in the theory of evolution - as in the idea that all life shares a common ancestor (or maybe a few ancestors), or whether he simply believes that in the process of evolution. Without giving people that context, they will likely make the same mistake that you made, and simply assume that the two are the same. Furthermore, answers in genesis is a credible source for information regarding the creationist movement.

As for the source, I will replace the current one, with the one used for the microevolution wiki page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Champben2002 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please stop misrepresenting what I said.  Essentially, what you want is a WP:COATRACK to hang a bunch of stuff, that doesn't really belong here.  Anything unrelated to Goodyear must be removed.  If there are notable opinion makes who share your views, and publish their opinion, than that opinion may be shared.  I removed your reference to Young Earth Creationism.  Unless he associates himselve with YEC, it's a violation of WP:BLP to link him to it, and under WP:BLP it must removed immediately, without regard to 3RR, and anybody re-adding it can be blocked.  Bringing up YEC is likeing discussing the Pink Unicorn or Flying Spagetti Monstor to imply the person supported it.  It's not ok.  --Rob (talk) 17:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Added: To clarify my current position, while I originally didn't support coverage of the mini-controversy about his words on evolution, I'm accepting we're going to cover it, in full.  The priority should be first to avoid libel (non-existant links to Young Earth Creationism) and second to avoid going on a COATRACK tangent.  --Rob (talk) 17:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that this issue is not an excuse to discuss evolution vs creation. Mention briefly what he said and what was notable about it and link to the the terms used for readers to learn more on the background information. Double Blue (talk) 18:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Chiropractic
His practise of chiropractic is also a concern. Just as believing in Creation would strongly suggest that he’s anti- – or at least ignorant of – science, practising chiropractic would strongly suggest that he’s anti-medicine. — NRen2k5 (TALK), 22:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

His practice of chiropractic does not mean he is anti-science or anti-medicine. Chiropractic in Canada and most of the world is now evidence based. I can't say this was the case 50 years ago and even today in the southern US, but this is the case in Canada. Besides most chiropractic students are graduates from science undergraduate programs. It's not uncommon to bash to chiropractic for being unscientific but it doesn't make it right. Further I can't stop you from bashing it, but please bash on the appropriate web page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.61.241 (talk) 02:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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