Talk:Gas mask/Archive 1

This article is very bad
I looked at this one, then followed the link to HowStuffWorks.com, and a lot of this article is misleading, uninformative, and/or incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.58.97 (talk) 19:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

UK fetish?
"A small but significant number of people, particularly in the United Kingdom, have a sexual fetish about gas masks. It has been hypothesized that this may be because of childhood behavioral imprinting when these devices were issued in World War II".

Citation for the "particularly in the United Kingdom" bit? Who hypothesised this explanation? RayGirvan 19:09, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse gas mask
Oops! When I added the link, it was a factual article about U.S. Mickey Mouse gas masks for children, designed to counter their scary appearance. RayGirvan 11:53, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

respirator vs. gas mask
I am in the process of rewriting the Wikipedia entry for respirator, which is the correct name for what this entry calls a 'gas mask.' My reasoning is that 'gas mask' is incredibly incomplete as a description - for example, there are full face respirators, half face respirators, powered air-purifying respirators, different cartridges for different hazards, and more. In the United States, OSHA requires medical clearance to wear even a simple half face respirator during the course of employment, if the employer is covered under OSHA's Respiratory Protection standard; breathing through one of these respirators is not as easy as it seems on the surface.

If Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it should at the very least discuss each type of respirator using the correct terminology, instead of 'filter mask' and 'gas mask.' Therefore, I am being bold and taking on the project. Help is appreciated and welcome; you can start by looking at the OSHA and NIOSH pages on respiratory protection, which can be found by doing a Google search for 'respirator' and either 'OSHA' or 'NIOSH.' Remember to come over to respirator - edits here will have to be moved over there anyway.

I would like to redirect this page to respirator once I'm finished, which won't be for several weeks. Please limit edits to this entry in the interim, because I don't want to put a 'major edit' hold on the page. Thanks. - ddlamb 22:45, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I support your approach, and agree with the respirator reasoning. Thank you for your efforts --Carboxen 23:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There is yet another aspect to this. The US Military uses the term "Protective Mask" for what is improperly here being called a gas mask. (Note the caption on the picture on the right.) A true gas mask should protect the user from any gaseous or liquid environment. (ie: nothing of the gaseous or liquid environment makes its way into the closed system.) This requires that it have a self-contained environment ie: SCBA or for those divers SCUBA. The type of masks shown and described here, only filter out particulate or droplet material out of the gaseous environment. Most chemical agents are deployed as an aerosol. If it turns to a gas, which for something like sarin occurs at a fairly low temperature, these types of masks afford no protection to the wearer. (Most of this comes from US Army manuals and personal experience.) Anything you do to disabuse the public of the term "gas mask" is a public service. Regards -

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.244.214.30 (talk) 18:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * ddlamb, Carboxen, helpful 2006 IP, I have moved it o military gas mask and disambiguated "gas mask". I still think this article should be renamed; apart from anything else, "civilian gas mask" was a wartime term for masks used by civilians in the war. Since it is now 2020, it might be nice to get this sorted in less than 15 years. How about "Conflict mask"? Or should we limit it to exclude military scrubbers and SCBAs? Should we limit it in time range? "Gas mask" is a common term, but does not describe the scope of this article. It is commonly used to describe both historic wartime equipment and modern elastomeric respirators worn for all sorts of non-conflict-related reasons, and these are really not easily fit in the same scope. Very open to better name suggestions here. And I"ve belatedly realize that there are a lot of links to "gas mask", which need to be de-disambiguated, unless "gas mask" should point here (I think I've redirected the civilian ones already). I'm unclear on the best course on this. HLHJ (talk) 21:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * OK, so I decided to use the redirects WWI gas mask, WWII gas mask, conflict gas mask (use by civilians in other conflicts), military gas mask for military equipment, leaving it as the disambig if that's appropriate or it's really not clear from context. The idea was to future-proof against any reasonable rearragement of article scope, including splits. I did the first fifty before noticing that there were 571 more. Need to find a faster way to do this; will look for a semi-automated tool. HLHJ (talk) 23:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So apparently I need Dablinks, but it last refreshed hours ago and has not yet got "gas mask" as a disambig. I think I just need to wait until 1900 UTC tomorrow. Apologies for leaving this a mess for 20 hours. I thought there were only fifty-odd links. HLHJ (talk) 23:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Minor
Ben Egger is the best History teacher in the world as of this time.

I wonder how this sentence contributes to the article, and I don't see it as NPOV either, but I have never heard of the man so I might be mistaken. 62.204.152.170 09:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture
The picture of man with horse sucks, it is black & white, low quality. I think we need a picture of the gasmask only, without it being weared by anyone, just a high-quality picture of the item.

Reference removed
Looking over the article and its history, while I pondered what part of it might be merged with respirator, I noticed the following reference was removed:


 * HUMBOLDT, Alexander von. Ueber die unterirdischen Gasarten und die Mittel ihren Nachtheil zu vermindern. Ein Beytrag zur Physik der praktische Bergbaukunde. Braunschweig, Friedrich Vieweg, 1799. 8vo. With 3 engraved folded plates.

when the edit for "Revision as of 16:47, 18 January 2006" was made. The removal didn't look related to the content that was added that session and may possibly have been unintentional. If some content departs for respirator and this is a reference for it, maybe the reference should also travel over. Or maybe it should anyway. What was this a reference for and Mention of Humboldt is already made in the other article, but should it not be reinserted in this one? It was the only reference in the article. -thanks, Onceler 18:57, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Onceler, I haven't seen your post here until now but I think the reference should at least be in one of the two articles. The reference is for the Humboldt text entry, and the image of Humboldt's respirator alike.
 * I inserted it originally, with this image in the gas mask article
 * (text reference to Humboldt on 23:00, 31 October 2005 as 68.231.48.106; reference insertion 23:24, 31 October 2005 as 68.231.48.106; image insertion 23:24, 31 October 2005 as Carboxen).
 * I do think by the way that the articles should be merged, with gas mask being a referral/forward]]. --Carboxen 21:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Inventor
I've read another opinion that inventor of gas mask was Andrey Zelinsky in World War I (in 1915) against German gas attacks. May I add this to the article? --Vlad Jaroslavleff 17:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC) I've added this information.

Opinion Yes. Can we have a link other than a wiki one?

Yeah article please not www33.brinkster.com as it is not meet wiki guidelines.--BFritzen 15:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The Imperial War Museum claim that the inventor was Edward Frank Harrison - this was covered in an article on the BBC's Today programme today Matt Beard (talk) 12:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Removal of "gas masks in popular culture"
Scoo has removed that section and I tend to agree with him on that move. I encourage the parties interested in that section to rather start a separate article about several such items, or include it in Fetish or other articles like that. The disputed content does not seem to add to general knowledge about gas masks as it describes an exotic niche use. I would welcome a one-sentence indication of that use in the main article, with a link to a more specific site. One of the reasons being that it really is less about facts about gas masks than about sexual orientation or habit, and should thus be included in such an article rather than in one about a PPE tool of trade. --Carboxen 20:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Please review the contribution of James Bert Garner as his invention of the gas mask is sourced and verifiable in numerous well known sources. I do not believe the credit given here to Zelinsky is credible but cannot confirm. --Richgus1972 (talk) 15:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It looks wrong
The article reads:

Unlike other breathing devices, gas masks do not require the user to carry an air supply as in the use of scuba gear.

In fact, a gas mask is a device protecting (this is the difference from a scuba gear) respiratory organs; also, there are gas masks that protect the eyes and the face. Protecting features are classified according to the type of protect:


 * Filtrating gas masks, a gas mask of this type filtrates the surrounding air, usually the feature of replacing the filter is provived. Gas masks of this type are used against the definite types of toxic materials.


 * Isolating gas masks. The respiratory organ breathes with the air generated by the cartridge. Gas masks of this type save lungs from radioactive materials.


 * Hose gas masks. The air is carried from a certain distance, gas masks of this type are used for working in a vessel that contains toxic materials.

'I suggest to add these data to the article and remove the quoted sentence. If nobody answers I will do it by myself. I also can provide pictures of non-filtrating gas masks.'

A. Demidov (talk) 15:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Please either source or remove Zelinsky reference
I have found no evidence to back up the claim that Zelinsky invented the WWI gas mask but that rather it was James Bert Garner, a fact which is backed up in numerous sources. Please provide something other than an opinion for Zelinsky or in the interest of accuracy and quality I propose to remove the section. --Richgus1972 (talk) 04:19, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually there was only one, American, source claiming James Bert Garner invented with the Gas mask. Of which it doesn't make sense, as he only provided his research to Britian (long after Cluny MacPherson had already made the initial gas masks and Edward Harison had made the field servicable models) and was only involved in creating local American mining models later on.  I've corrected James article on these facts and the creation of the modern Gas Mask is left to Cluny and Edward. TrackZero (talk) 20:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Have removed Zelinsky reference. --Richgus1972 (talk) 01:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, now English Wikipedia is free from Russian inventors! Wee! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evlampya (talk • contribs) 14:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Here you can find Zelinsky gas mask as mass production item: http://gasmasklexikon.com/Page/Russia-Zielinski%20Kummant.htm also Instruction about using it(1916) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.206.175.238 (talk) 10:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Safety Hazard
Should someone write in that old gas masks contain a variety of very nasty shit in the cartridge and probably shouldn't be worn without removing the cartridge? Comradeash (talk) 15:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Only if you're a nanny state pussy.

Terribly written
Can't one of you English majors do something useful and clean this up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.193.107 (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

heavy metal
what? besides sid wilson and a RATM tshirt theyre not "an emblem of heavy metal"♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 03:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Plague
There should be a good reference to the masks doctors used during the black death. They were used because they beleived in the miasma theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zadak (talk • contribs) 20:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Rename
do not move Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gas mask → Air supply mask &mdash; Can the article be moved to "air supply mask" or alternatively breathing mask? gas masks is a misleading term, it refers to the dispensing of any gas; which is inaccurate. only air is actually supplied (in diving, some mixtures with helium or high percentages of oxygen are used too but this still isn suffice to make the term gas mask a proper term. oxygen mask wasnt a good term as it supplies air (mixture with less than 1% oxygen). also, include jet aircraft masks, airline oxygen masks, second lungs/rebreathers and divers masks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.211.188 (talk) 17:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. As the article lede says, this article is about the protective, air-purifying apparatus, generally used without an independent air supply. "Gas mask" is by far the most common term for that, so we should use it by WP:NAME. Hqb (talk) 18:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME 76.66.193.20 (talk) 07:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I see your point on the difference in the article; however, in this case I still propose a alternative name (gas mask doesnt' sounds like its a purifier). Perhaps something like Air purifier mask or Air filter mask, or portable air filter is more appropriate.

As for breathing mask/air supply mask proposition; perhaps a disambugation article can be made; stating that it may refer to air filter masks or "oxygen mask"s article (note that i would rename the oxygen mask article too to something like "Independant air supply mask"


 * Oppose again per WP:COMMONNAME. Gas mask is used repeatedly throughout the article and most of the article seems to be about the sort of gas masks most commonly used in the military (and by civilian in WW2) to protect against poisionous gas and I've never heard them called anything other than gas amsk in common usage. Dpmuk (talk) 13:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. What would you expect a reader who types "gas mask" in the search box to be looking for? Jafeluv (talk) 08:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge
Should this page not be merged with respirator?Jellyfish dave (talk) 13:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As above see WP:COMMONNAME because the term 'gas mask' is the term for what the military use; the term 'respirator' is more for civilian non-chemical warfare use. Ginbot86 14:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Misuse of sources
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Asbestos in Gasmask
The British ww2 Gasmasks Contained Blue asbestos, what's with french , USA and German civilian Gasmasks ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.190.203.102 (talk) 12:46, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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Book of Ingenious Inventions claim
The claim that the Banu Musa invented an early gas mask is ludicrous enough, but insultingly enough, despite the source citations, no such device or anything analogous appears anywhere in even a single manuscript of the Kitab al-Hiyal. The only part of the more than 200 inventions and associated diagrams in the work that even mentions a polluted well isn't for a gas mask — it's a bellows device, as can be seen here, however nothing about a mask, gas filtering or otherwise, can be found anywhere. I'm removing the claim, if you need anything else, the two webpages cited as sources are 404'd. 74.90.120.94 (talk) 18:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

"Gas masks in conflict" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Gas masks in conflict. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 17 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 18:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Subject on the removal of Iranian inventions category
it got removed due to a lack of text so added the text, I don’t know how to add this category back as I’m editing on iPhone if someone else could add it back that would be appreciated Bobisland (talk) 03:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Nevermind I did it Bobisland (talk) 03:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Minor Picture Error
In the article there is a picture of a Polish SzM-41 KF that is mistakenly labeled to be an MUA. Just a small error that can be easily researched and corrected, which I will do shortly 207.178.127.51 (talk) 03:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)