Talk:Gavara

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Why the claim of Tamil Kavarai community imposed on Telugu Gavara community? There is no relation between both.

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Are there sangams that promote the welfare of Gavaras worldwide? If not highly resourceful persons with good accrediton and highly qualified persons from Tamil Nadu and Andhra can form one. Gavara Naidus are Balija Naidus(Kapus/Telagas= According to Thurston Gavara Naidus (Kavarais) are Balija Naidus.In Tamil Nadu there is no difference between Gavara Balija Naidus and Gajula Balija Naidus as both are branches of Balija caste and matrimonial relations are very common between the two branches . Both of these branches worship Gowri .May be there is a missing link between Gavaras of A.P and Gavara(Kavarai) Balija Naidus of Tamil Nadu and Karnataka. The Gavaras of Vijaya nagaram and Visakhapatnam  might have been  the stranded or settled  people of Gavara Balija Naidu caste  following  Krishna Devaraya's  expedition to Orissa.  It is a well known fact that Balija Naidus belong to Warrior/Trading caste and many Nayaks(Chieftains) had emerged from this caste.  As per Thurston Vijaya nagar,Madurai and Thanjavur kings were Balija Naidus.Madurai kings of Balija Naidu caste established kingdoms in Srilanka (Kandy  dynasty) and so many Balija caste people migrated to Srilanka during the period of Kandy dynasty from Tamil Nadu.Some of these Balija Naidus had   relocated in other countries once the Kandy dynasty rule ended .It is interesting to know that Gavaras of Northern circars might have been the people migrated from Srilanka as per the new school of thought. All in all it appears that Gavaras of Northern Circars are nothing but the Gavara Balija Naidus of Tamil Nadu and Karnataka and a dedicated research would greatly help in this regard.Lot of sur names and Gotrams of Gavaras of A.P and Balija Naidus (Gajula/Gavara)/Kapus/Telagas would coincide and a  good number of sur names end with "Setti".It is more appropriate to include Gavaras of Northern Circars in Balija Naidu /Kapu/Telaga category than in Vysya category as alleged by some people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.180.35.157 (talk) 00:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Kavarai's/Gavara Naidus of Tamil Nadu are a Branch of Balija or Kapu/Telaga caste.... Apart frombothe the castes sharing a similar occupation of Trading... there is nothing in common with Gavaras of Coastal Andhra and Kavarais/Balijas of TamilNadu...The Kavarais are nothing but Gajula Balija Division of Balijas/Kapus....

The Gavaras of Andhra are more closely related to Vysyayas infact ....Edgar Thurston with all due repects wrote his Manuals sitting in Madras which cut him of from the Origins of Andhra Castes and did his reaserch moslty on settlements near Madras thats oneof the reasonhe treats Kapu and Reddy as oneand clubs every caste that has a Balija Suffix among them intoBalija Naidus...

The traditions and culture of Kavarasis donot mix with Gavara'sof Andhra... Also there are Matrimonial Alliances between Kavarais and Balij/Kapus buty not with Gavaras of Andhra... Kavarais also take up Agriculture and are Village Heads and carry the title Desai.... like Kapus.... But you donot see this in the Gavaras of Andhra.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.182.202 (talk) 10:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Why all the previously lengthy article become few words of a single sentence? The community was mainly from northen andra district, but tge reference was from caste from tamil nadu... and nothing in the reference can be said to have any link with tge article except mentioning of existance of similar community in tamil nadu Sureshnaidu (talk) 00:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Reverted to old version
I have reverted the article to a stable version that existed prior to the recent copyvios, edit warring etc. Although many contributions have been made in March, my checks of those where the cited sources were online suggests that those sources were being misrepresented and in many cases there was apparent synthesis.

I have no objections to any relevant, accurate bits being reinstated but we're going to have to do this slowly via discussion here and full disclosure of offline sources will probably be necessary. - Sitush (talk) 14:33, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Why the entire articles become a few lines?
the entire list of gothra and intuperu are all missing along with myth claimed by community. The source for the articles were from gawara community websites.


 * Caste-affiliated websites are not considered to be reliable sources on Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 07:05, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Thuston did not said Vijayanagara kings were balijas. He just referred what was in the application given to Census Department by Balija leaders in 1901 in which  they pleaded to recognize them as Kshatriya by giving some stories as evidence to their Kshatriya hood .Vijayanagara empire kings are not balijas as per their inscriptions and other contemporary literary sources .They, the Vijayanagara kings, declared their caste  as Yadava. See this inscription issued by Srikrishnadevaraya ;

Yadava  kula Surya  SRIKRISHNADEVARAYA

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No 38.

Nanjangud Taluk

1. Svasti sri vijayabhyudaya Salivahana saka 5 varusha 2.1434 sandu ......srimukha samvatsarada Phalguna ba svasti jitam 3.bhagavata gata ghana gaganabhena sthira simhasanarudha sri nahaajadhiraja ra 4.ja parameswara sriman mahamedini ,miseyaraganda kathari saluva sriman dekshina samu 5.dradhipati Narasimha varma maharajadhiraja tut putra pituranvagata YADAVA kulamba 6.ra dyumani samyuktva chudamini sakala vanahi brind sandoha (santarpana)paranarisahodara 7.sauchavira(sarvavira) parakramadhara sakala desadhisvara mani makuta charanaravinda kathari 8.trinetra srimat krishnavarma maharajadhiraja prudhvirajyam geyinottiralu dakshina de 9.sadhi vijayavagi dittayisida vira Krishnarayara nyupadim srimanu mahapradhanam Ya 10.ju sakheya khandava gotrada Apastambha sutrada srimanu Saluva Timmarasaru dakshina 11.varanesi Gajaranyakshetra Rajaraja purvada Talakadali sri mahadevadevo 12. ttama kirti Narayana devarige thayurasthalada kavahaliyolaganegado ........

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Be it well.In the victorious and prospering Salivahan era 1434 year s having expired while the year srimukha was current, on the 5th lunar day of the dark half of Phalghuna.Be it well.Victory to the Adorable(padmanabha)who resembles the sky free from clouds.While illustrious Krishnavarma maharajadhiraja seated on the stable throne, the prosperous king of kings, lord of kings, champion over those who wear mustaches in the great earth, kathari saluva(dagger and kite ), eruler over the southern sea,Narasimha mahadhiraja's son ; asun to the fragment that is the Yadava race of which he is a lineal descendant: :..............................Under the orders of vira Krishnaraya, whole he was pleased to go on a victorious expedition to the to the south:the illustrious mahapradhana(chief minister) Saluva Timmarasa of yaju sakha khandava gotra and apastambha sutra made agift to the best of the gods kirtinarayana devaru of Talakadu which is Rajarajpuram...............

Note

-It belongs to the reign of Vijayanara king Krishnaraya and is dated S.1434srimuka sam.phal.ba.5. This data correspond to March 15, A.D. 1514; .........The pecular feature in the historical portion of this record the king Krishnaraya is here styled krishnavarma maharajadhiraj as is also the case in two other inscriptions of th same Talu.(E.C.-III Nanjanguda 190 and 195 of 1512 and 1513 A.D)............

Annual Report of the Mysore Archaeological Department for the 1930 University of Mysore , Banglore 1934. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chennuboina venkateswarlu (talk • contribs) 15:15, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Gavaras and Kavarai
Gavaras are telugu speaking community unrelated to Tamil speaking Kavarai community from Tamil nadu Sureshnaidu (talk) 18:22, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Are Gavara Naidus related to Kapu/Telaga/Balija naidu
Are Gavara Naidus related to Kapu/Telaga/Balija naidu 35.131.205.74 (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2023
the whole data which is written not accurate.one castes is present in tamilnadu but it is written as it is present in tamilnadu. gavara koamtis s only one caste with only one name but here 2 are present.i prsent the edgar thurston source as it is a reliable source.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Castes_and_Tribes_of_Southern_India/Gavara plz read this many are adding wrong info. https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Census_of_India_1891/BhBFAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=gavara+caste&pg=PA241&printsec=frontcover Openharmoir (talk) 13:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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Merchant Community spread over south India to Kalinga
Kavarai is merchant community which mentioned in Chola Hero Stone inscription. Due to trade activity spread from Ancient Kalinga to Sri Lanka. They have many names like Kavarai in Tamil, Kavara in Malayalam, Gavara in Andra, Gavare in Karnataka and Gaura due to geographical and Linguistic background. All are trading background but different history and political background. Above mentioned all are same. It is stupid to say that they belong to particular language. Ancient Merchant Communities are multilingual. As far as historical records they speak all south Indian and Singla Languages. They called 18 District means they went and do business belongs 18 nations Padinenboomi of Ancient India and South east. Kalinga is one part of the Nation. That is why some Gavara are called Kalingas. Rajasekar (talk) 09:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 December 2023
Dear Admin,

I hope this message finds you well. My name is [Your Name], and I am currently engaged in research on South Indian Trade guilds and Kavarai Merchant Groups. As part of my efforts to contribute more updated and accurate information to the Wikipedia community, I am seeking access to edit the existing article on the Kavarai or Gavara Social Group.

I believe that there is valuable additional information that can be incorporated to enhance the article's comprehensiveness and relevance. Could you please provide me with the necessary editing privileges to facilitate these updates? I am committed to ensuring that the information added adheres to Wikipedia's guidelines and standards.

Thank you for considering my request, and I look forward to contributing positively to the Wikipedia community.

Best regards, Rajasekar Rajasekar (talk) 20:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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One side proclaim
Gavaras refers to a relatively small komati community. They are attempting to conceal and isolate the Gavaras/Kavaras who went to Tamil Nadu as warriors, traders, and agriculturalists. Gavara is the monarch of the Thirumalai Nayakar and Vijayarenga Nayakar dynasties in Tamil Nadu. In Tamil Nadu alone, the population of Kavaras and its subcastes is approximately 14%. Don't try to make up a history that is more convenient for you. 2601:188:CA82:CD80:68AF:2C13:A447:3DEE (talk) 15:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Gavara social group, others titles are Occupational names
the gavara mentioned in the article are all related but spread to different region, language and occupation Somewhat all are doing trade. Current article is misleading. Rajasekar (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Gavara and Komati are different sect not the Same
Gavaras are trader and Komaties are mostly Bankers. According to this article, CASTE MOBILITY IN ANDHRA A STUDY OF VAISYA MAHASABHA 1907 - 1930 Komatis similar to Arya Vaisya or Beri Chetti. Gavaras are right hand faction caste and Beri are left hand. Rajasekar (talk) 00:43, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Balija, Telaga, Kapu (KBT) are forward caste in andhra pradesh and are kshatriya community
Balija, Telaga, Kapu (KBT) are forward caste in andhra pradesh and are kshatriya community. In andhra pradesh state they are grouped as one category or sangham 76.116.53.239 (talk) 11:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2024
//rarebooksocietyofindia.org/book_archive/196174216674_10152785561286675.pdf Gavara Caste is a trading community predominant in Visakhapatnam, Anakapalle and in pockets of godavari districts. The caste is clearly mentioned in the Edgar Thurston book of Castes and Tribes of Southern India. 2409:408C:2E95:5FC7:0:0:110A:9709 (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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