Talk:Gavin Williamson

Presentation
The material I have removed refers to gossip about a person who is the subject of a biographical article in this encyclopaedia. The removed material, hearsay from a newspaper article about a third person, is trivial, unverified, immaterial and not encyclopaedic. Trevor H. (UK) 17:33, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

This article has been badly edited and makes far too many references to his comments on Russia and has not been properly checked, therefore falling well short of Wikipedia's usually high standards Owneyk (talk) 02:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Following on from Ownkey, this article is very left wing and highlighting personal matters and certain things which are not relevant to Wikipedia, it requires urgent attention.146.198.36.221 (talk) 23:04, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Accuracy is not left wing, or right wing. Mydaywillcomein2018 (talk) 13:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Chief Whip (2016–2017)
Can a confirmed user fix the typos in the above paragraph. Thanks. 2A00:23C6:3B89:8A00:C9DE:2751:748A:EF35 (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 21:16, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Imported material
This article imports material from unreliable external sources which cannot be corrected: Mr. Williamson’s own inaccurate CV and Conservative Party pages. These imports should be replaced with editable material. Mydaywillcomein2018 (talk) 13:01, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

“A” Level
Why is ‘A Level’ written “A” Level, like the “A” is in doubt or something? The English exam boards and the press write either ‘A Level’ or ‘A-level’ so surely these are the correct forms? Madeinsane (talk) 11:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The main article to which that Wiki link points: GCE Advanced Level consistently refers to 'A Level', as you mention. So I think it is simply an inconsistency of terminology that can be brought into line. I am sure there will be no objection if you want to do that. This is the only instance within the article. Thanks for pointing this out . Crep171166 (talk) 06:23, 15 August 2020 (UTC).

Teacher assessments
The references to teacher assessments are misleading. They suggest that the assessments were made by individual teachers, which was not the case. They were made by groups of teachers but were moderated by senior staff. The correct name is Centre Assessed Grades. Even the government get this bit right:. I’d be grateful if someone would correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.243.89.206 (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

School Meals
"meaning many of those children will go hungry" is speculative opinion. Those who voted as Williamson did do not agree. Without evidence, this does not belong here, so I have removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.160.2.5 (talk) 10:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Williamson's A-level grades
The real story seems to be his refusal to reveal them:, , , , , , etc., etc. But it's not usual to include A-level grades in any BLP article, even if they were as poor as Williamson's are alleged to have been. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a case of WP:NOTNEWS. Jr8825  •  Talk  15:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure. We all knew. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 11 August 2021 (UTC)'

Up-to-date
This article shows what an up-to-date encyclopedia Wikipedia is. Today (September 15 2021) it was mentioned that Gavin Williamson is no longer Education Secretary on the news, and already, that information is in Wikipedia. YTKJ (talk) 21:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, in fact, it went in so quickly that it didn't even have a source. Not sure that's ideal. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2022
Add prenominal 'Sir' before his title as he has been knighted as of 3/3/22 17:00 PM GMT. Sources: https://feweek.co.uk/former-education-secretary-gavin-williamson-knighted/ https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-ex-education-secretary-26379946 https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/gavin-williamson-set-knighthood-after-23281497 Swopwaste (talk) 17:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Everyone who has ever received a knighthood has just had it diminished. The incompetent twat clearly has some dirt on Johnson and it's probably Putin related. Someone will probably censor this comment but it will remain in the archive. 92.40.178.183 (talk) 18:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Can someone insert a space before the last sentence of the lead, please? 87.75.117.183 (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call him a twat. Well, not here anyway. What about "hopeless numpty"? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:29, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2022
Change "After supporting Boris Johnson’s campaign to succeed May as Conservative Leader, Williamson quickly returned to the Cabinet as Education Secretary in July 2019. On 15 September 2021, he was dismissed as Education Secretary when Johnson reshuffled his cabinet. He was knighted on 3 March 2022, an honour that was criticised by opposition MPs."

TO "After supporting Boris Johnson’s campaign to succeed May as Conservative Leader, Williamson quickly returned to the Cabinet as Education Secretary in July 2019. On 15 September 2021, he was dismissed as Education Secretary when Johnson reshuffled his cabinet. He was knighted on 3 March 2022, an honour that was widely criticised."

The criticism are not restricted to opposition MP's: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10579889/Gavin-Williamsons-knighthood-hard-justify-appears-corrupt-Downing-Street-admits.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/04/sir-gavins-gong-national-embarrassment/

https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1499488702204157956?s=20&t=eqxaEETq2zLaslluHIRBRw

I could go on .... but Batwatcher (talk) 12:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * ❌ You should go on... because of WP:DAILYMAIL and because one Twitter soundbite is not a good source for this? The piece from The Daily Telegraph, "Sir Gavin’s gong is a national embarrassment", is potentially good, but is behind a paywall. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Sir
What has happened since the announcement on 3 March? I thought we were waiting for the (delayed) investiture before adding this. What is the protocol? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

knighthood controversy
The Wall Street journal reported he walked in on BJ having an extramarital BJ from his now wife while foreign secretary. His current wife was undergoing cancer treatment at the time. 2A00:23C5:6102:D201:A458:B5E3:DB25:892D (talk) 04:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Williamson's pivotal role helping Sunak cmpaign to become Prime Minister
I put this into the article. DeFacto took it out stating "Most of that is already in the article". Most of it wasn't in the article. Williamson being sacked twice was already in the article, which is why I summarised it briefly. The main part of my edit was "[Williamson] was seen as pivotal when Rishi Sunak tried to get MPs to support Sunak in his first first attempt to become prime minister." and that wasn't already in the article. I restored my version. Proxima Centauri (talk) 11:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You need to construct some context around that then to allow readers to understand whose opinion that is and what role they think he played. And perhaps some evidence that he is believed to have made any significant difference to Sunak becoming prime minister. All reliably sourced, of course, and of due weight. If it is widely believed, then there will be sources other than four or five sentences in a broader article on Independent. Put a draft here and see if it gets a consensus. -- DeFacto (talk). 12:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Resignation
He has resigned 2A02:C7C:52D2:E600:BC78:20BE:9984:DCE2 (talk) 20:23, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Request for comment
See most most recent changes. I am trying to avoid an edit war. The main article on the issue is called "controversy", so surely that should be the heading here too. -- NotC hariza rd 🗨 10:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't think an RfC is required here. The IP, who has refused to communicate thus far, is inserting PoV into the article with terms like "fiasco", "disaster", "mismanagement", and "farce". There's no need to change it from simply "controversy" when that's the name of the main article. — Czello (music) 10:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I wasn't sure and didn't want to risk getting in trouble by doing the wrong thing. -- NotC hariza rd  🗨 11:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)