Talk:Gavrilo Princip/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 09:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * No need to cite the date of birth here, citing it in the body is sufficient.
 * Removed citation in lead
 * Same with the sentence ending "..known as the July Ultimatum.
 * Removed citation in lead
 * Personally, I would merge the second and third paragraphs, but that is personal preference really.
 * Done
 * "..which had cost him his right arm." This would possibly sound more encyclopedic as "..which had already caused the loss of his right arm.
 * Done
 * His resting place does not need citing in the infobox; as above, the citation in the body is sufficient.
 * Removed citation from infobox


 * Early life
 * "..and made the 280 kilometres (170 mi) journey.." This should be "..the 280-kilometre (170 mi) journey.." I think.
 * Done


 * Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand
 * The article says there are six conspirators lining the route, but then after the second one throws a grenade, it says that "..five other conspirators, including Princip, lost an opportunity to attack.." Surely it was only four that lost the opportunity, as the first had already squandered his?
 * Good catch, fixed


 * Memorials and commemoration
 * From "In the 1930s.." This reads like a rather bland list. I would suggest either converting it into an actual table, or blending it together better, certainly merging some of the paragraphs together.
 * I will look into blending/merging the content better. Will try and get that done soon, thanks!


 * Portrayals on stage, film and television
 * This section is entirely unreferenced. If it needs including, it would probably benefit from a conversion to prose, and commentary added, possibly discussing how he was portrayed.
 * I added that section when I was thinking of things to add in order to make the article as thorough as possible. I don't believe any of the portrayals were particularly noteworthy, just simply whenever he was portrayed, and I would be okay with removing the section entirely if that's okay with you.


 * References
 * Is there an ISBN/OCLC number available for Dedijer, Vladimir (1966)?
 * Added ASIN
 * Donnelley, Paul (2012) doesn't need an access date.
 * Removed
 * Many of the books listed in the Further reading section could also do with ISBNs.
 * I added ISBNs for those I could find

I will place the article on hold pending further comments. Harrias talk 12:01, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review ! Much appreciated. I think I covered most of your comments and will look into reworking the Memorials and commemoration section and will let you know when that's complete. Let me know if I missed anything and thank you again! SamCordes talk 02:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I updated the Memorials and commemoration section and merged some paragraphs together and decided to remove the Portrayals section. Let me know your thoughts and if there's any other feedback you have. Thanks! SamCordes talk 04:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick work on this. I have a couple of remaining concerns for Good article status:
 * Further comments
 * The first revolves around criteria 3b: "it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail". I just worry that the assassination detail goes into too much detail about parts of it which don't directly affect Princip. Obviously enough needs to be included to provide context, but (for example) I don't think knowing where the mayor of Sarajevo and the Commissioner of Police are sitting is necessary here. Similarly with some of the additional details provided about the fate of the other conspirators.
 * The second is about a couple of things mentioned in the lead, but not thereafter. Basically, the entire second paragraph of the lead does not feature in the article itself. The lead should only summarise the article, so please review the entire lead and make sure everything is included in the body of the article. Harrias  talk 12:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I cleaned up the assassination section, removing any extraneous detail, as well as the lead, and added any info mentioned in the lead that was previously missing to the body of the article. Thanks! -- SamCordes talk 03:56, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's look much better. There are four places I'd like to see references added, and then I think we're done: Harrias  talk 08:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)


 * "After Čabrinović's failed attempt, Princip and the remaining conspirators lost their opportunity to attack because of the heavy crowds and the car's high speed."
 * "Princip attempted suicide with a cyanide pill, but it was out-of-date, then tried to shoot himself, but the pistol was wrestled from his hand before he had a chance to fire another shot."
 * "Instead, he received the maximum sentence of twenty years in prison."
 * "Gavrilo Princip died on 28 April 1918, three years and ten months after the assassination. At the time of his death, weakened by malnutrition and disease, he weighed around 40 kilograms (88 lb; 6 st 4 lb)."
 * I added references to the four places mentioned above. Thanks, -- SamCordes talk 07:51, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Good work on this.


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

A well-balanced overview of Princip's life and role in the events that led to the start of the First World War.
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * If this article was to be taken further to FA, then a more rounded view of Princip would need to be provided, analysing more sources. There is also a gap just before the assassination that it would be good to fill, but none of that is required for GA status. The article sufficiently covers the major points of Princip's life, without going into more detail than necessary.
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * The article deals very well with the balance between terrorist and hero.
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * A nice piece of work on a significant, but undercovered subject in modern history. Good work. Harrias  talk 09:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review, much appreciated! Best, -- SamCordes talk 00:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * A nice piece of work on a significant, but undercovered subject in modern history. Good work. Harrias  talk 09:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review, much appreciated! Best, -- SamCordes talk 00:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)