Talk:Gay Games

Chicago Gay Games
In regard to the following paragraph found on the front page of this so-caleld encyclopedia - "This has enabled the Montreal games to attract three times as many participants as the Chicago games, which have been rigged by drug scandals and a lack of social and political support from American institutions."

This statement is so wrong on all levels. The Chicago Gay Games is on target for particpants in regard to forecasts. There are no drug scandals - NONE. And the City of Chicago, The County of Cook and the State of Illinois political structure all endorse (in legal documents and official proclamations) the Gay Games in Chicago. The Mayor of Chicago and the City Treasurer are Gay Games VII Co-Chairs of the Ambassador program. I don't know where this statement comes from, but it is wrong and even mean spirited to perpetuate such very wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.251.152.190 (talk) 22:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Controversy over Gay Olympics: Who Sued?
I added the disputed notation to this part of the article because I have conflicting information as to whether the USOC or IOC actually sued the Gay Olympics. This article says that the USOC sued. However, this article says near the end that the IOC sued and that the USOC sued.

Can someone look this up in LEXIS? Who exactly sued? The citation is (supposedly): International Olympic Committee vs. San Francisco Arts and Athletics, 781 F. 2d 733

--Tiger Marc ROAR! 03:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The official caption (from WestLaw) is:

United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit. INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE, a corporation organized and existing under the laws of Switzerland; United States Olympic Committee, a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the United States of America, Plaintiffs-Cross- Defendants-Appellees,

v.

SAN FRANCISCO ARTS & ATHLETICS, a California corporation, and Thomas P. Waddell, Defendants-Cross-Plaintiffs-Appellants.

-MAS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.36.146.200 (talk) 22:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Controversy over Gay Olympics: Boycott of Visa?
I've heard that Visa International was involved in the lawsuit over the use of the word, "Olympics." Was there a boycott of Visa? What are the details? --Tiger Marc ROAR! 03:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Article Vandalism
I had to fix some profane references in the upper portion of this article. It's really sad to see things like this go for so long unnoticed. It survived multiple edits, or so the article History says. 71.17.19.113 21:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I just now fixed some (badly written) vandalism. It'd only been there for two days, though. It was the most recent edit, too. Either way, it's gone now. 67.160.142.194 (talk) 21:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

???
Is there an actual quote showing that the organizer's "goals were to promote the spirit of inclusion and participation"? It seems to me that this event only promotes exclusion, in that it doesn't involve the participation of non-gay individuals. How can an event for a narrow demographic "promote the spirit of inclusion"? If anything, it promotes exclusion. Events and organizations such as this only serve to separate the gay community from everyone else. For the time being, I'm removing the nonsense about inclusion and participation. If you would like to counter my argument, please do so below. Fuzzform (talk) 20:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting take but you got one key fact wrong, people with any sexuality or gender identity are welcome and, I believe, this has made it one of the largest sporting events in the world. Banj e  b oi   04:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I think you are not the order of the day. The name of the competition is "Gay Games", so it is more than obvious, clear and logical that non-gay people DO NOT participate. It would be a total contradiction if heterosexuals started to participate in a competition that neither involves them nor is aimed at them. Straight people already train in several Olympiads, why cry for not participating in GAY GAMES? It's our space 2804:7F7:A6AE:5933:3155:5D07:AE35:A1B (talk) 01:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * "It's OUR space". Yea, except members of that community still insist on being a part of regular communities as well. Making an exclusively LGBT event is akin to colonial nationalism through exclusion of immigration into a country. The LGBT fuss and sue to be included into everything, which is fair, but contradicts the notion to create exclusionary events, does it not? 172.59.193.238 (talk) 00:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

transgender vs gay
Mainstream sporting competitions are segregated on the basis of gender, which occasionally produces controversies because a fraction of the population have naturally ambiguous gender, but nonetheless crudely approximates a useful aim of levelling the playing field. Obviously this fraction must be better represented in the LGBT community; how does the gay olympics address apparent gender-related advantages (or gross inequalities)? Cesiumfrog (talk) 01:39, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * True. Its fascinating, the conflicting dichotic positions of eradicating binary gender, while simultaneously insisting on validation of gender when it comes to their own identity, and this absurdity is too rarely discussed. The campaign to remove the binary from culture as well as invalidating biologically born gender identities (i.e. erasure of the term "woman" replaced with "chest feeder" or "birth giver". Ironically, call them anything but woman/man, and it is taken at great offense). 172.59.193.238 (talk) 00:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, first, it needs to get rid of the term gay. The term gay is NOT a gender neutral term. It's guys, end of story. Misuse of the term is an agenda-driven misuse of the term and this is fairly quickly being corrected due to the national debate about same-sex marriage. The media is discovering that it can't continue using the expression "gay marriage" as a gender neutral expression without creating widespread and justifiable confusion.Godofredo29 (talk) 01:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "Gay" is very frequently used for women, trivially confirmed by searching e.g. Google Books. Equinox ◑ 19:21, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Montréal/Outgames - Sources?
The section "Schism in LGBT sports communities over Gay Games VII " has had no sources for over almost a year (since the tag went up). if it is to stay someone ought to add the references, its not enough to hide that "this is from 2 sources." either set up a "see also" or add a "main" and link to the page with a brief paraphrase of the other page. currently thsi is not a paraphrase. (Lihaas (talk) 11:32, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The situation with Montréal and the split (to OutGames) isn't just missing sources... it's missing some key info, namely the reasons why Montréal objected to OGG dictating the number who could attend. The Organisation of Gay Games didn't just try to limit the number of people... they were trying to limit the numbers under circumstances where the entire liability if the event didn't break even was on the Montréal group, with OGG exposed to no liability at all. How convenient... but add a bit of context: Montréal hosted the 1976 summer Owe-lympic games, infamous because the resulting debt took three decades to repay. The hugely-expensive Olympic Stadium built in Montréal for those games is even today nicknamed the "Big Owe" and "le gros bol de toilette" (the departure of the Montreal Expos baseball club leaves it as a costly stadium without a major-league team, the retractable roof was problematic from the outset, there was even falling concrete from this building at one point). Furthermore, the Gay Games had its own financial issues before Montréal, having bankrupted the previous venue's host group in Australia. As such, having OGG make all the key decisions while Montréal local organisers are left with all liabilities was not a viable proposition. There was media coverage at the time, although much of it is gay press or opinion pieces a few readily found are:


 * http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Another-gay-games-feud-sparks-rivalry-2531706.php (San Francisco, Chronicle)
 * http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/How_Montreal_lost_the_Gay_Games_twice-8739.aspx (Toronto, Xtra)
 * http://www.fugues.com/main.cfm?l=fr&p=100_Article&article_id=7740&rubrique_ID=90 (Montréal, Fugues)
 * I also note the entire section about the 2006 World Outgames split is cut-and-pasted both here and World Outgames. We probably don't need the same unsourced text twice in its entirety. K7L (talk) 16:05, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Addition to 2002 Gay Games
I attempted to add a reason to why the Gay Games was hosted in Sydney, but also why the turnout happened as it did.

The message of the Gay Games VI is to be all inclusive, but were unrepresented of other genders, ethnicities, and classes. When Gay Games VI was chosen to be in Sydney, Australia it was partially because of already present GLQBTI sport teams. The aspect of Western sports and culture is integrated into the Sydney Gay Games due to the advertisement, emphasizing the turnout of GLQBTI men of Western origin and that had enough money for travel.[1] Chloewass (talk) 18:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect Pages
It appears there are a number of incorrect pages such as 1986 Gay Games which states the games were held in Yugoslavia and 1990 Gay Games which in the bidding sections states that countries such as North Korea and the Soviet Union bidded for the games and that they were opened by the Queen (none of which I believe to be true) Guyb123321 (talk) 03:09, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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