Talk:Gay Nazis myth

Lead
There is a weirdness to writing "discredited theory asserting that homosexuals were prominent in the Nazi party" next to a picture of a prominent homosexual in the Nazi party. I question whether there is any "theory" here at all. But the claim that "homosexuals were prominent in the Nazi party" is not discredited. The article even refers to "the homosexuality of well known Nazis" in WP's voice. I think something is missing here. The lead does not correctly describe the myths being peddled. Srnec (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , While no one denies that there were a handful of homosexuals who were actually prominent in the party, the idea that's discredited is that they were prominent as a group, had a significant negative influence on Nazi policies or controlled the party (see "Historicity" section). When I wrote this, I meant "homosexuals [as a group] were prominent in the Nazi party". If you think there is a better phrasing which makes this more clear, please be bold. buidhe 00:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ernst Rohm surrounded himself with like minded thugs and were the hammer the NSDAP came to power with. The entire page is bogus.  The fact that Rohm was on the losing side of an internal power struggle doesn't make their influence a "myth". 162.223.204.36 (talk) 19:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See Rohm scandal for the real story instead of these deranged ramblings (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Importance Designation
I question the "Low Importance" designation assigned to this page. Georgearnold23 (talk) 23:07, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

change title to homofascism
homofascism is a fairly popular ideology, and the contents of this article seems to be a good candidate for a history section of it.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.20.3 (talk) 16:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that's it's fairly popular, but insofar as how it's known 'homofascism' is the term people usually use nowadays as opposed to 'gay fascism' FAISSALOO(talk) 19:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly well acquainted with this subject, and not only do I not use this word to describe it, until this moment I had never even encountered the word being used in this context. Where I have heard the word "homofascism", is when used by right-wing Reactionaries as a word to describe their own perception of LGBT rights activists aggressively taking over the narrative of normativity from them.
 * Nuttyskin (talk) 23:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

misleading quote
″In the Soviet Union, Maxim Gorky claimed that "Eradicate homosexuals and fascism will disappear".″ is not a faithful quote as discussed in the article on Gorky []. The original text 'Proletarian Humanism' states: ″Уже сложилась саркастическая поговорка: «Уничтожьте гомосексуали­ стов — фашизм исчезнет»″ which may be translated as ″There is already a sarcastic saying: «Destroy homosexuals — fascism will disappear»″ (can be found in Russian here http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/G/GOR%27KIY_Maksim/Gor'kiy_M._Sobranie_sochineniy_v_30_tt._T.27.(1953).[pdf-fax .zip] article starts on p. 233, quote is on p. 238) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.103.202.254 (talk) 22:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Normalisation of homosexuality in the pre-Nazi era
One of the unexplored areas which might seem to shore up the notion of an early Nazi tolerance of homosexuality, is that in the era directly preceding that of the Nazis, German society seems to have been strangely relaxed in relation to homosexuality, at least in comparison to later.

If I might quote from another article: "The first organized gay rights movement arose in the late nineteenth century in Germany. In the 1920s and into the early 1930s, there were LGBT communities in cities like Berlin; German-Jewish sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld was one of the most notable spokespeople for LGBT rights at this time."(LGBT rights opposition)

The Nineteenth Century saw a gradual acceptance of liberalised attitudes to homosexuality in Germany. This, in tandem with longstanding background attitudes of conservative intolerance, must have led to the situation in Germany just before the Nazis' rise, of a public which had become accustomed to and relaxed towards the fact of its own gay population, almost in spite of itself; while simultaneously remaining culturally completely opposed to such a thing's existence. The general atmosphere of suspicion and paranoia, and the fear of all outsider groups, must have exaggerated this tendency to murderous proportions. Nuttyskin (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This is not unexplored. It is well known that the Nazis hated those relatively liberal Weimar attitudes, which they regarded as "degenerate" and part of a Jewish conspiracy to weaken Germany. They used their opposition to them as a major plank of their pitch for power (in terms shockingly similar to the anti-LGBT rhetoric you will hear used by far-right politicians today) and they made a point of burning Hirschfeld's library almost a soon as they came to power. They were never tolerant of homosexuality in society at large. They were only willing to overlook it in a few of their own members in the short term, while they were perceived as useful, but even they were violently eliminated once they were no longer considered necessary. That was tactical hypocrisy. Nothing else. DanielRigal (talk) 01:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also the Weimar Republic was not as decadent as it is sometimes perceived. It was hardly a paradise for homosexuals either. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  01:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)