Talk:Gay bullying

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Dedicated to Tyler Clementi and all LGBT people and those perceived to be LGBT worldwide who suffer from bullying, harassment, discrimination, hate and bigotry. Please help to expand this page or use its contents in a productive and appropriate manner that can help to prevent future gay bullying against the LGBT community. Peace.Myk60640 (talk) 20:05, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Gay bashing
We already had gay bashing, the common name for gay abuse. This article needs to differentiate itself from gay bashing or a merger may be on the cards. Although "gay bullying" has a lot of Google hits (118,000), "gay bashing" has more with 222,000. --Penbat (talk) 20:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I knew that page existed. The "Gay bashing" page says very little of substance in my opinion. And, many more LGBT organizations and journalists worldwide use the term "Gay bullying" rather than "gay bashing" from what I have found (see the titles of References in this piece for specific examples). And Gay bullying fits well with the related Wiki pieces on bullying, school bullying, cyberbullying. The Gay bashing piece has what, maybe two references for the entire piece. Yikes! In time, maybe Gay bashing can be incorporated here, or vise versa.Myk60640 (talk) 21:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that LGBT organisations use "gay bullying" rather than "gay bashing" isnt the predominating factor although "gay bashing" is a rather pejorative term. It is only right that the 2 articles link to each other. I suspect in the long run the answer is to improve the "gay bashing" article, incorporating the material here and have a redirect from "gay bullying" to "gay bashing".--Penbat (talk) 21:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Google scholar
Getting soundings from the academic side of things using Google Scholar: --Penbat (talk) 13:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "Gay bashing" - 3,490 hits
 * "Gay abuse" - 130 hits
 * "Gay bullying" - 76 hits

More thoughts
Penbat, I think we have heard enough from you on this subject. Let's hear from others. Sledge

'''Whomever wrote Gay bashing appears to have written it nearly verbatim from Answers.com. See here: ''' They/he/she hardly tried. Whatever changes are made, I highly recommend that there be a redirect from Gay bullying to Gay bashing, or, Gay bashing to Gay bullying so readers can easily find the subject.


 * I have set up the merge banner to indicate that a debate can begin. I have also made some arguments supporting the merge. It is up to you or others to counter or support my arguments. After a reasonable period of time, a decision will be made. It looks to me like a merge can be done quite easily. Gay bashing's inadequacies can be largely fixed by bolting in the gay bullying text and the first line of gay bashing can start "Gay bashing (or gay bullying)....". "Gay bullying" and "gay abuse" would then certainly be made to redirect to gay bashing.--Penbat (talk) 09:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Fine with me.Myk60640 (talk) 14:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Bashing Vs Bullying
I don't understand why do people want to merge this two very different subjects. Gay Bullying is not the same thing as Gay Bashing. While Gay Bashing refers to the act of denigrating someone for being gay, Gay Bullying refers to a continuous attack on a LGBT person. One thing is someone calling you gay in the street (bashing) other completely different thing is to be continuously harassed and attacked by a person or group of persons (usually at work or at school). Bashing and Bullying are not the same thing, hence the social, physical and emotional impact of both type of abuse are very different. In my opinion both are abuse forms but that doesn't mean that both are the same thing. So i do not agree with a merge of this two different subjects under the article name of Gay Bashing. To me Bashing is not a general topic that includes Bullying, and vice versa, both are part of a bigger picture called LGBT Discrimination. Hence, i would suggest three options that i think are more reasonable:


 * Merge both articles under a different name for example "LGBT Discrimination", "Abuse towards LGBT", "Anti-gay violence" something like that;
 * Keep both articles, since both are different issues;
 * A merge of both articles with Homophobia one(redirect to that article and add a topic there) since homophobia is described as "negative attitudes towards LGBT" which include all types of abuse.

Well this is my opinion. Tacv (talk) 21:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I second this. Gay Bashing and Gay Bullying are two totally different things, in my view. Although, I would suggest that it be called Homophobic bullying, rather than Gay bullying. :) Gaymanrory (talk) 23:00, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Innaccuracy
- Was the 11 year old boy gay? The fact that some people called him "gay" doesn't make him gay, and he was 11, a hard age to know your sexual oorientation. If he wasn't gay, he shouldn't be in this page.

- Should we mix old studies with the new ones. Things have changed a lot from the 70s, so those studies probably aren't the same right now. Being openly gay in the 70s in some countries was impossible, and now is easier (for example, in Spain now is legal, but until 1975 Spain was under a dictatorship and being gay was punished).

Also, remember that this is a encyclopedia, not a leaflet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.39.40.242 (talk) 20:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merge to Violence against LGBT people

 * Support. This article is a poorly sourced, highly politicized fork that would be better summarized in Violence against LGBT people. Attempting to define what constitutes "bullying" versus "bashing" is a futile endeavor. Violence against LGBT people provides a unified, NPOV summary of events and statistics from a proper worldwide perspective. Uncle Dick (talk) 21:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Violence specifically relates to physical abuse. Gay bullying and gay bashing relate to both physical and verbal abuse. Gay bullying and gay bashing should be merged and Violence against LGBT people left alone. --Penbat (talk) 21:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Penbat and the fact that the Violence against LGBT people article is already huge and in the process of splitting (see its talk page). Gay bullying and Gay bashing may benefit from being merged, but I don't believe they should be merged with such a huge article that refers specifically to only one aspect of bullying. Noted 7  (t · c) 15:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: it's been over a month since anyone has voted. The consensus seems to be that Gay Bashing and Gay Bullying should be merged and Violence against LGBT people left alone. If no one objects by next week, I'll remove the merge templates on the violence article and begin merging bashing and bullying. Noted 7  (t · c) 15:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I go along with that.--Penbat (talk) 15:54, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Removed templates; beginning merge. Feel free to edit the sandbox. Noted 7  (t · c) 15:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)