Talk:Gay cruising in England and Wales

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Wow! Great change to the article. Definately encyclopedic now. 4.232.141.117 02:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

This article has been kept following this VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Shall we move it to Gay cruising in the United Kingdom then? -- Joolz 12:37, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yup! --Skud 11:08, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Just the UK?
Why is this article so UK-specific? Wouldn't it be more fruitful to have a less nationally-specific article, considering that gay cruising is hardly a phenomenon unique to the UK? I know, I know, start it myself... but why not just an article on "gay cruising" with national sections if you think the practice is so different in different countries? Moncrief 02:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


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don't move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 09:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

 * Talk:Gay cruising in the United Kingdom — Gay cruising in the United Kingdom → Gay cruising – There are currently 3 regional "Gay cruising" articles (UK, Japan, Canada) - makes more sense to have them as 1 article, especially as the same info is repeated on each one.

support

 * 1) Support, let's merge them.  haz  (user talk) e 20:11, 16 March 2006

Oppose

 * 1) Oppose.   The only information that the three articles contain that is the same is the opening paragraph that describes what cruising is.  There is information specific to each area.  The UK article is quite long.  The other two are sub-stubs, because they were just created today.  Exploding Boy 21:07, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose - the law surrounding this activity is quite different dependent on which country you are in, and there is enough information specific to the Uk in this article to warrant it having its own article. -- Francs2000 [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px| ]] 03:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, this is not a WP:RM but a WP:MM... &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 09:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


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List of gay cruising areas...
...has to go. WP:NOT a yellow pages. the.crazy.russian  (T)   (C)   (E)  18:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * And once again, I ask you exactly why you object to this particular list. Wikipedia contains many, many lists, a lot of them as stand-alone pages.  This particular list is informational and provides an easy method of demonstrating the scope and variety of such places.  In particular, gay cruising areas are usually invisible unless one is in the know; the lists here provide something concrete.  I really don't understand your increasing objections to this.  Why not object to something like list of unusual deaths, or list of lifestyles instead?  Exploding Boy 23:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I always object to stuff as I come across it. I am a happy deletionist and never shy away. I posted my previously-expressed comments on this page to make them part of the record, that's all. Nothing new. the.crazy.russian  (T)   (C)   (E)  00:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

As a gay man from the UK who occasionally goes cruising, I have concerns about this list. From a Wikipedia POV I believe that many of the places mentioned do not merit inclusion in an encyclopaedia. Exceptions are few in number and would include Clapham Common (where Ron Davies was mugged) and possibly Hampstead Heath but certainly not Colwick Woods in Nottingham. Also this article should not become a directory for cruisers - there are various message boards such as The Cruising Ground and Squirt for that purpose. Aside from detracting from the purpose of Wikipedia there is also an important safety issue. These two sites contain up-to-date information about which areas are at risk of violence or are causing a nuisance to the local community. 213.120.42.191 17:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I totally agree. The problem is that as an open encyclopedia, if you list one you have to be prepared for other people to list others.  So you either don't list any at all, or watch the edits to the page very closely for future edits. -- Roleplayer 23:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've now removed the list, in accordance with WP:NOT, and merged the section "Cruising areas in Britain" with "Current information". The list, incidentally, had an entry with a POV comment along the lines of "This was a nice area until they turned up" (my emphasis). I suspect that "they" had been using this area long before the person who made the edits heard about it. Hope this is agreeable to everyone. (LancsCruiser) 213.120.11.219 22:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that a "Notable areas" section has appeared together with a lot of gossip about politicians and celebrities. I've got rid of it in accordance with WP:NOTDIR. Rugxulo (talk) 00:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

How cruisers (supposedly) identify each other
Cruisers identify each other using shoulder bags, and people carrying laptops have been propositioned to the embarrassment of both parties? What unsubstantiated nonsense. Gay men don't need bags to be able to spot each other cruising. This statement is made without any reference to back it up, in any case. &mdash; Paul G 18:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Be bold and take it out.  I certainly don't need a ponsy shoulder bag to tell me someone is out for a cruise: my gaydar suffices enough and besides the shoulder bag thing doesn't go with the look I find attractive. -- 81.151.249.20 23:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have removed this information and also a lot of POV original research on Hampstead Heath that isn't mentioned in the referenced BBC article. (LancsCruiser) 213.120.11.88 20:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Wanted, recommendations for a main directory of cruising websites
The external links is suffering from repeated drive-by editors adding their favourite cruising websites. In order to meet the guidance of WP:NOTDIRECTORY does anyone have a good main directory of cruising related sites to reference in order to replace this list? Normally we would find a category in the Open Directory Project but I don't think there is one devoted to gay cruising.—Ash (talk) 09:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I can think of two popular sites, these being Squirt and Cruisinground/Gaybod. The problem with these lists of links is that there are a number of sites which are little more than private blogs, many of which are localised and/or horribly out of date, and the line has to be drawn somewhere. Rugxulo (talk) 00:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

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