Talk:Gays Against Groomers

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Please be cautious with statements like these
This statement from the ADL could potentially open up a rather nasty can of worms and it might not be a good idea to draw undue attention to it:

"while GAG claims that they cannot be anti-gay or anti-lesbian as they themselves identify as gay or lesbian, ADL's definition of anti-LGBTQ+ extremism includes any person who pushes false claims and conspiracy theories about all or parts of the LGBTQ+ community, regardless of how they personally identify"

Wikipedia needs to focus on what reliable sources state about what they are as a fact, not extrapolations on the labels they use to describe themselves. Reliable sources have thus far described GAG as a far right, anti-LGBTQ hate group, as perpetuators of the utterly baseless groomer-libel and as stochastic terrorists. They have also exposed their frontrunners as having close ties with the trump campaign, the GOP and major right wing media trusts and think-tanks. Whether members of GAG identify as gay or not shouldn't even be brought up. It would be putting undue weight on GAG's own PR, and therefore legitimizing it.

Also, as someone who has spent excessive time studying the far right and how they think, I feel it necessary to point out that this statement can be read as playing into the far right's rethoric that LGBTQ is a political movement/ideology (see also "gay agenda, "gender ideology", "transgenderism"). I would not be surprised if they are already framing it as the ADL "saying the silent parts out loud". 46.97.170.235 (talk) 12:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * We are. Slatersteven (talk) 12:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with the narrative that the GAG ​​are "anti-LGBT" when they're against drag shows that allow children and oppose gender reassignment surgeries for minors, not for adults. We are not talking about Yoweri Museveni either. -Alabama- (talk) 21:23, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Gender affirming care has positive impacts on trans youth, so yes in being against that they are specifically anti-LGBT, as such care benefits trans youth, who comprise the T. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 21:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Plus there are numerous reliable sources that consider them to be anti-LGBT. –– Formal Dude  (talk)  01:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * LegalSmeagolian, what sources would you rely on to prove that statement? And what also happens with drag shows? -Alabama- (talk) 02:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * You said you don't agree with the "anti-LGBT" label, that's fine but unless you have actual reliable sources to challenge it, this discussion is meaningless. –– Formal Dude  (talk)  02:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's one from Dept. of Health - office of population affairs. DN (talk) 02:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)