Talk:Gaza War (2008–2009)

Edit Request: Insert subheader in Background
After the first sentence of the Background a '2005-2006 ceasefire' subheader should be provided for clarity. Drocj (talk) 06:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Disputed map
The map in the infobox is not verifiable, no reliable sources supporting it could be found on the article page or the file page on Commons, so it is essentially OR. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Great_Mule_of_Eupatoria#Map_sources -- Green  C  18:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Hamas claims of casualties
Hamas never said that 600-700 of its members died. The Haaretz article in fact quotes Hamas as saying 200-300 Al-Qassam brigades members died, but also quotes Hamas saying 49 of its members died. It also quotes "250 killed" at the police station, but these are not strictly from Hamas, nor is it clear if they are combatants at all. It also quotes an additional 150 security personnel, and again its not clear if they were combatants in the Gaza war or not.VR (Please ping on reply) 02:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Al-Qassam Brigades actively works with Hamas, but is not Hamas. In fact, it was originally part of Fatah. Here, I think Hamas is just specifying the number of combatants each group lost, rather than contradicting itself.
 * Israel considers police and security officers to be combatants if they enter combat when they're on duty -- regardless of whether they're Israeli or Palestinian. As far as I've been able to tell, Hamas doesn't count them as combatants even if they enter combat and are on duty.
 * Just came across this today:
 * "To deconstruct these figures properly, the status of the Gaza police must first be considered, since approximately 250 of them were among those listed as 'civilians' who were killed. Although the Goldstone Report concludes that the Gaza police force was a 'civilian law-enforcement agency,' there is overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise.
 * "The Gaza police has its origins in the Hamas Executive Force. When the Executive Force was formed in 2006, its commander announced that the force was 'the nucleus of the future Palestinian army. The resistance must continue. We have only one enemy. They are Jews. We have no other enemy. I will continue to carry the rifle and pull the trigger whenever required to defend my people.' According to the report, the Executive Force merged with a reorganized PA police in October 2007.
 * "Despite the fact that the Executive Force no longer technically exists, during Operation Cast Lead a police spokesman said, 'Police officers received clear orders from the leadership to face the enemy, if the Gaza Strip were to be invaded.' This is conclusive evidence that the Gaza police were not entitled to the protections accorded to civilians in war. In addition, evidence suggests many policemen were combatant individuals regardless of their connection with the police.
 * "According to one count, 91% of the policemen killed were either members of a terrorist organization or in infantry training, with a 'decisive majority' of casualties belonging to military wings.
 * "In any event, reasonable people can and do disagree as to the status of the Gaza policemen killed by Israel. [But] they cannot simply be lumped together with infants and other obvious non-combatants for purposes
 * of listing the number of dead civilians." Oakling (talk) 06:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Forgot to ping: @VR Oakling (talk) 06:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "Despite the fact that the Executive Force no longer technically exists, during Operation Cast Lead a police spokesman said, 'Police officers received clear orders from the leadership to face the enemy, if the Gaza Strip were to be invaded.' This is conclusive evidence that the Gaza police were not entitled to the protections accorded to civilians in war. In addition, evidence suggests many policemen were combatant individuals regardless of their connection with the police.
 * "According to one count, 91% of the policemen killed were either members of a terrorist organization or in infantry training, with a 'decisive majority' of casualties belonging to military wings.
 * "In any event, reasonable people can and do disagree as to the status of the Gaza policemen killed by Israel. [But] they cannot simply be lumped together with infants and other obvious non-combatants for purposes
 * of listing the number of dead civilians." Oakling (talk) 06:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Forgot to ping: @VR Oakling (talk) 06:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * of listing the number of dead civilians." Oakling (talk) 06:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Forgot to ping: @VR Oakling (talk) 06:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

After the Hamas election in 2006, they rejected the recognition of Israel, but offered a 10 year truce, or Hudna
Typically covering 10 years, a hudna is recognised in Islamic jurisprudence as a legitimate and binding contract. A hudna extends beyond the Western concept of a cease-fire and obliges the parties to use the period to seek a permanent, non-violent resolution to their differences.

Why the Hamas charter isn’t a key obstacle to peace with Israel (theconversation.com)(source)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/01/israel

This is vital information on the events leading to the Siege of Gaza in 2007. The offer of Hudna should be inserted in this article in the third paragraph of the Background section, after "Hamas rejected..." Bill Shortell (talk) 16:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sources? Slatersteven (talk) 16:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please phrase this as a request to change X to Y in the article and provide suitable sources, per WP:ARBECR, thanks. Selfstudier (talk) 16:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Don't include Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades under Fatah in infobox
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades separated from Fatah in 2008, prior to this conflict. Fatah should not be in the belligerents column, at least not as a parent organization of Al-Aqsa. Bill3602 (talk) 23:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)