Talk:Gemäldegalerie, Berlin


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move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 06:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support per nom. David Kernow 11:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


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Request for picture of gallery building
Headline not added by original poster, but by me. --Netizen 19:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey this site needs to have a picture of this museum because i am a college student trying to work on a essay and i need a pic of the museum!!! Thanks
 * Hi. Have a look at the German version of this article. There's a picture there. A quick web search also gave me this result. Be careful not to infringe copyrights if taking *any* content from the web. The wikipedia-picture is marked as free to use according to the GFDL though. Cheers, Netizen 19:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC) P.S.: Please sign all future entries with four tildes (like so: ~ ). This automatically signs with your username and date.

History
"It was along the centuries enlarged not only through acquisitions but also by means of war booty and contains many objects looted from Poland. These were paintings obtained from the royal collections in 1656 (Polish Vasas collection),[2] in 1740 (Silesian collection of John III Sobieski) and in the beginning of the 19th century (Stanisław Augustus collection), as well as from many confiscations after the Partitions of Poland.[3]"

this is not true! its falsification of history! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.116.246 (talk) 01:40, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Article even not mention that a main booty was by US troops in 1945. Returned arfterwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Submixster (talk • contribs) 11:30, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Factual accuracy
"It was along the centuries enlarged not only through acquisitions but also by means of war booty and contains many objects looted from Poland. These were paintings obtained from the royal collections in 1656 (Polish Vasas collection), in 1740 (Silesian collection of John III Sobieski) and in the beginning of the 19th century (Stanisław Augustus collection), as well as from many confiscations after the Partitions of Poland."

1. In 1740 Prussia conquered Silesia. Silesia was Austrian, not Polish. Did a "Silesian collection of John III Sobieski" actually exist, and was this collection located on foreign (Austrian) territory? Does the source actually claim all this?

2. in the 19th century, and after the partitions of Poland, objects couldn't get looted from Poland, because Poland didn't exist. This was as Prussian as some former German territories are now Polish. Otherwise Poland also looted objects from Germany when the inventory of many Silesian museums was moved to Warsaw after 1945. PS: and I'm sure the "confiscations" in the 19th century were the result of the secularization in the early 19th century. 93.220.186.155 (talk) 14:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Johnbod (talk) 19:33, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I partly agree with these comments, and those in the previous section. I have rewritten most of the History, & removed the tag. I don't believe ex-Polish "booty" is a significant proportion of the paintings collection, & some numbers would be desirable before mention of them are re-inserted. I see from Van Dyck's Apostles Series, Hendrick Uylenburgh and Sigismund III, Friso Lammertse, The Burlington Magazine, Vol. 144, No. 1188 (Mar., 2002), pp. 140-146, Published by: The Burlington Magazine Publications Ltd., Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/889357 & our John II Casimir Vasa that most of the Vasa collection went to Dresden, or France or the Dutch art market, rather than Berlin. And so on.

I think that the following sentence is an unfortunate euphemism: "The March of the Silenus by Peter Paul Rubens was obtained in Warsaw in 1656". "Obtained" simply means "looted". The painting was purchased in the Spanish Netherlands by Władysław Vasa of Poland in 1624. It was later (in 1656) looted by Frederick William, Elector of Brandenburg and displayed in Berlin's Gemäldegalerie till 1944 (transferred from the Berlin's City Palace in the 19th century). The March of the Silenus was depicted in the painting by Etienne de la Hire showing the Art Collection of prince Władysław Vasa (today in the Royal Castle in Warsaw): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Art_Collection_of_Prince_W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_Vasa.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.154.50 (talk) 22:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Latest on the latest move
There's nothing in English post-summer 2012. My German isn't up to this or this. Do they contain updates? Is it still happening? When? Johnbod (talk) 22:12, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, finally. Nothing became of it, the paintings stay in their current location. --LordPeterII (talk) 10:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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