Talk:Gender disguise

Merge
This is a newly created article, but it seems to me to be a topic we already have several articles on - notably, Cross-dressing and Passing (gender). I suggest that this article be merged into one of those, probably the latter; at the moment it's little more than a 'crossdressing in fiction' article, which we already have an extensive section on. Robofish (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoa, hold your horses. Too eager, too early.  The way I see this article developing is as a description of a literary theme; if a merge is at some future time deemed essential, Plot device or Literary technique seems like a more appropriate target.  But right now, we're still exploring sources for critical discussion of the concept.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  22:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There are some sections in cross-dressing that deal with this subject matter. Is there a difference in meaning between gender disguise and cross-dressing? Is gender disguise a less used phrasing for the same thing? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * One way to think of this is like Homicide and Whodunit. One's a real-world thing, and the other's a fiction thing, but they're both fundamentally about murder and murder investigations.  Should they be merged? Me, I think the answer is to have separate articles, one for the real-world practice of cross-dressing, and one for the convention in fiction where a girl dresses up as a boy (or vice versa) and nobody can tell, often with comedic results.  I actually wonder if we might merge the cross-dressing in fiction stuff from Cross-dressing to here.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  23:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The distinction between gender disguise and cross-dressing is still unclear to me. Breaking out an article on cross-dressing in storytelling is a possibility, but I don't know if it would be advantageous since it seems to fit in the existing article. Would it be useful to get additional input at the content noticeboard, literature or gender project, or via an RfC? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's a source discussing Shakespeare's use of this type of theatrical device . ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:11, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A RFC seems a bit drastic. Just a mention on the talk page for WP:LIT seems sufficient to me.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  00:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note - I've just added Cross-dressing to the merge template, and a template on that article. I'm still not sure what to do with this one, but I like the suggestion of making this article about the fictional trope of cross-dressing, and renaming it to Cross-dressing in fiction or something like that. In that case, there's plenty of content that could be merged into this one. Robofish (talk) 02:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "Gender disguise" is what it's called in the reliable sources, though.— S Marshall  Talk / Cont  07:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge. Same concept, different name. -- Banj e  b oi   01:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The two things has nothing to do with each other. Gender disguise is when someone disguises him-/herself as the opposite sex, because of needs or similar reasons. Cross-dressing (a.k.a. transvestism) is when someone dresses like the opposite of their physical sex because they don't feel like they are a member of the gender they physically are of. In other words; Cross-dressers are mentally a member of the gender they dress like and a gender-disguiser isn't. Hence the two things are whole different concepts. rRatón July 11 2010, 12:11 AM CEST  —Preceding undated comment added 22:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC).


 * Oppose. This article seems to discuss people who cross-dress for a specific reason, as the title implies, not for pleasure. Cross-dressers on the other hand, dress as such because it is what they feel the most comfortable in. Gender disguise vs. gender identity, two very different topics here. Gender disguise can have a mention in the cross-dressing article, but it is not the same thing, so it shouldn't be lumped in altogether with that article. 24.189.88.30 (talk) 06:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge There is a 2-line lead, then a number of examples, which should be merged to en travesti and breeches role (which themselves should probably be merged). There are too many poor articles in this area. Johnbod (talk) 16:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose Cross-dressing is the practice of wearing clothing of the opposite gender and not necessarily attempting to disguise one's gender. Passing as the opposite gender is Transvestism. For example, simply wearing an article of underwear of the other gender under one's otherwise same gender clothing is cross-dressing, but this is not an attempt to appear as the other gender. Wearing just one or a few articles of visible clothing of the opposite gender is cross-dressing, but may not be gender-disguise (in terms of dress/clothing) or transvestism. Cross-dressing and Gender-disguise should not be merged. Daringest (talk) 18:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)