Talk:Generation Z in the United States/Archive 1

Submission
Thank for for submitting this article for review. But please note the following comment by the previous reviewer. Therefore, if you think this article is ready for prime time, please initiate a discussion on the talk page of Generation Z. Nerd271 (talk) 06:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Operational definitions & Alternate names
Since this information is kind of touched on in the parent Generation Z article, perhaps we should remove these sections and merge the material into there. The naming of the generation isn't a uniquely American issue in this case, so it doesn't make sense to repeat the information in both articles. BappleBusiness (talk) 04:16, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Nerd271, please see above. For concision, we should remove these sections from this article, as we already have this information in the parent article. BappleBusiness (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I broke it off because the article got way too long. Nerd271 (talk) 19:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand that. I'm saying that we don't need the information from the two sections in this article, which is about the generation in the United States, because the categorization of the generation is not US-exclusive or US-unique. We can just keep the information in the parent article; there is no need for duplication. BappleBusiness (talk) 22:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Nah, these are independent articles. You can read one but not the other. As such, they ought to be self-contained. Nerd271 (talk) 14:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree. This article should act as a supplementary article to the main Generation Z article. Information in the US-specific article can be summarized in the general Generation Z article (along with a link to the corresponding section in this article), which makes sense because the global article shouldn't exclude the US. But if we put global definitions and traits that aren't unique to the United States into the US-specific article, there will be way too much overlap and redundant information -- defeating this article's purpose. BappleBusiness (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

No, I disagree. Neither articles are supplements of each other. Nerd271 (talk) 13:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Come on. This article is literally called Generation Z in the United States. This means that this article is taking the subject described in Generation Z and focusing on a specific country. Therefore, this is a supplement to the Generation Z article, and we don't need to repeat information that isn't unique or exclusive to the United States here. You're acting like these articles are completely independent when they just aren't. BappleBusiness (talk) 06:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with the changes made here. We wouldn't want the terminology/nomenclature and date and age range sections of this article to be basically a repeat of the current sections in the main Generation Z article. Some1 (talk) 21:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Nerd271 Hi, just alerting you to the talk page once again. You didn't address my June 10 comments, and I saw you were editing other pages, so after a week, I thought it would be okay to readdress the issue. Instead of competely reverting back to my edits, I decided we needed a compromise for some sort of resolution. So what I did was provide summarizing information for the nomenclature and date ranges, and then linked to the original article. I combined the two sections because that makes sense for the small amount of prose needed for this purpose. This compromise would allow the article to address these subjects in this article, which you find important, while also cutting down on unnecessary and repeated information, which I find important. Let me know what you think. BappleBusiness (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Nerd271: alerting your attention to this talk page once again. If you don't respond, I'll take it that you agree with the proposed changes. BappleBusiness (talk) 03:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have restored your version (plus made some tweaks and kept the Pew part since 9/11 is US-centric) since we don't want these two sections to basically become a repeat of the main Generation Z article. Some1 (talk) 02:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

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Request for putting 1997 to 2012 in the description.
The United States Library of Congress cites Pew Research Center to define the generations, including Generation Z. The United States Census also has chosen a specific definition, starting with 1997 births. This Wikipedia article is different from the others since it is specifically about the United States. The latter two mentioned sources are from the government, not just any random think tanks or pop culture irrelevant articles. The United States Legislative and Executive branches are fully aware of the chosen 1997 start date rather than 1995, evidence with the fact that Maxwell Frost (born in 1997) is being classified as the first official Gen Z member of the United States Congress rather than Madison Crawthorn (1995). The 1997 to 2012 date range is seen as the most consistent date range within the United States media. Wikipedia editors aren’t self-aware in that by just throwing a large number of random articles that begin with 1995 or 1996 together isn’t helping their case, but actually detrimental due to the lack of consistency (for example: 1995-2009, 1995-2010, 1995-2012, 1996-2009, 1996-2010, 1996-2015, and even 1996-2006). Jean Twenge has written articles and made comments in interviews about the possibility that she might move her start date to that of Pew’s in the future (this can be read on her official website, as she clarifies that her 1995-2012 range isn’t final; rather subjective to change). What I want to bring awareness, most importantly, is the fact that editors had attempted to delete the mentioned 2022 United States Census source in its entirety, attempting to fully replace it with irrelevant pop culture articles (the Mexican Vogue magazine article written in Spanish), and the suggestion of the inclusion of other dubious articles. For example, Deloitte has cited the 1997-2012 date range as of the 2023 year, not the 1995 one. The complete removal of the United States 2022 Census article was not reverted for several months, suggesting that Wikipedia editors are editing out of pettiness rather than actually helping the website. 2601:940:C180:3DB0:E857:A613:7BF6:3CE (talk) 05:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)