Talk:Genesis of Aquarion

Genre Of This Anime
Despite what AnimeNewsNetwork says, this series definately more of a drama than it is a comedy. Also, the entire plot revolves around romance. - The Norse 00:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you using as the source for those genres? Remember that we shouldn't engage in original research, especially when listing genres. And saying, "I've seen the series and it is this" is not only original research but also is an editorial point of view. --TheFarix (Talk) 14:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

ANN's content is user-submitted like Wikipedia so they're information is also from an "editorial point of view", making them no more correct than I am. Anyone who has watched the series would agree that the very heavy amounts of drama(melodrama? It's hard to tell) and the heavily-romantic backstory overshadow the comedy in the series, which really only exists in a couple early episodes and non-plot related episodes. It's no more of a comedy than say... Trigun and Fullmetal Alchemist are. -The Norse 20:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

This show was an "homage" (total bite) of Neon Genesis Evangelion more than it was a super robot of the 70s-80s thing.
 * This franchise has almost nothing in common with Evangelion. Yapool Seijin (talk) 03:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Aquarion and mythology
Well, since I tagged the section and nothing's happening, perhaps I should explain why...

There's a lot of nominal reference to various bits of mythological information, but my beef with this section (not to mention the chakra section) is that other than using the names, the series itself doesn't seem to put any more significance on its terminology. I might be wrong, of course, but unless this section has sources specifically tying the listed material with Aquarion, it's original research and it's got to go. Magus Melchior 12:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Stop complaining over something so stupid. There's no reason to remove the section just because it's directly referenced in the show, it's still information that has a bearing on how the show is perceived and should be noted(The chakra section is much more of a stretch and should be summarized, in my opinion). Instead of focusing your attention on raping this article of it's content, you could be pushing for someone to provide a better plot synopsis or something that the page needs. The Norse 01:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * At least one person disgreed with your assessment of this issue. If it's in the show, I'd like to see citations to the episodes. Or at the very least, quotes from the show. You can't just put something in and say "it's in the show" when it may or may not be verifiable. Magus Melchior 02:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay then, let's see here:

Age of Aquarius: Referenced in the show various times.
 * The Angels strive to create a new "era of holy genesis".
 * The series main plot revolves around solving the conflict between the Angels and Humans.
 * During the final episode, Aquarion literally unites with the Earth and brings about a new era of peace and such.

Yoga: The definition provided in the article is almost world-for-word the opening lines of the series' first episode and that theme of uniting body, mind and soul remains constant throughout the series.

Prapti/Mugen Punch: Probably the most obvious and recognizable reference. During the first part of episode 6, Fudo was training the Element Users in this concept, the concept of negating distance and time with your mind and touching things very far away. Later in the episode, Apollo masters this concept by hitting an impossbile-to-hit enemy and driving it to the moon's surface with a single punch.


 * Just a note: the Mugen Punch is not the real Prapti, although more than one source cites the precise idea of touching the moon to explicate the extent of the power. (another example: http://www.geocities.com/kriyadc/hatha_yoga_pradipika_chapter3.html ) 193.205.213.166 12:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

In a kind of comical way, this series took these metaphorical concepts and made them quite literal.

Apollonius: Or maybe this one is the most recognizable. Apollo/Apollonius' pasts and connection tie perfectly to the summary provided in the article. Apollo getting his name(and identity, pretty much being born) after walking out of a lake looks to be a direct reference Apollo, the God. Apollo's "birth" is covered in episode 5, Apollonius' betrayal, death and rebirth are tied with the main plot of the show and are covered in several episodes.

Atlantis/Asgard/Tree of Life: Atlantis and the Tree of Life definately play a huge roll in Aquarion's central plot. The place where Atlantis is located is Asgard. The rest of the things here seem to be duplicated from Escaflowne, which was also directed by Kawamori. This part doesn't require much argument due to the likenesses and same names being used as the myths.

You pull this idea out a hat? The Tree represented here is NOT Norse but Kabbalah. The flowers at the base form the very familiar pattern. Clean up your sloppy supposition and do not assume what the based of the producer's prior works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoatOrion (talk • contribs) 23:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Kay? - The Norse 03:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I meant the article, not the talk page ;)

In general, I can see the connections you're making, having seen the anime. However, the problem is that we need verifiable sources somewhere that make these connections as well (WP:CITE is a great guideline for this), because not everyone will grok the reasoning. The idea being, we don't rely on "Hey, these two ideas are similar, therefore they must be connected" sort of reasoning you might see on fansites (which is an example of OR).


 * It is true, but even the Evangelion page has the same problem. See Evangelion's section "Inspiration and symbolism".193.205.213.166 12:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Age of Aquarius: "Aquarion as a name is an obvious reference to this concept". One would need to find a publication (in the case of anime, a magazine, interview, DVD extras or other merchandise) that makes this connection, otherwise we don't know if the creators actually used the ideas in that particular book.

Yoga: I think this paragraph might be better worded somehow, but the strongest way of presenting this is, again, a publication of some sort.

Prapti: I'd caution against using the word "prapti" here, unless it was mentioned in the show (which to my recollection, it wasn't). Maybe one could place this as a paragraph under "Yoga", since it looks like some ideas from yoga. Therefore, verifying the yoga section properly will verify this one as well.

Apollonius: As this is an actual character, the material here is the strongest, but the "seems inspired" phrase sounded to me like a weasel word. (Apollonius gave fire to humans? Can you point me to where that was mentioned in the show?)


 * Apollonius gave to humans a crystal with a flame inside. That crystal had a power, which humans were supposed to use against Shadow Angels. In fact the popular version of Prometheus myth is slightly different from the real myth. Promotehus was glorified for giving the fire to humans, but he was an ambiguous trickster.193.205.213.166 12:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Atlantis: The connection with Yggdrasil could use a source. Also, just because Kawamori directed both Escaflowne and Aquarion, doesn't mean he's transplanted ideas from one to the other (no matter how commonplace this may be in anime studios). Generally, one would find this sort of information in interviews and/or staff commentaries (if they exist).

Magus Melchior 04:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * While they probably exist in the commentaries of the DVDs or some sort of publication, finding direct sources for these things would be very difficult because this series and most everything involving it is in Japanese, so I guess I can't completely verify the connection. Maybe the section could be renamed and rewritten so that the themes used are described and then near the end of each description would be something like "this theme is similar to _____"?

The connections to Indian mythology definately aren't assumptions though, because I can remember one or two things being directly named after the themes/people they're based off of, like those twin reviving Cherubims in episode 15. - The Norse 21:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll admit that finding sources for unsourced stuff can be a real pain (myself having been slapped with a "source it, j0" tag). I think the general view at WP is comb official stuff for notable information first, rather than put in information that looks really plausible.
 * I'll try to help find sources. I know there's the Japanese wikipedia, and the official blog, not to mention Google, so we'll see what turns up. Magus Melchior 22:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I doubt you could find that info in the interviews. If we see the Evangelion page, it is said "Characters share their names with Japanese warships from World War II". This is true and easily verifiable, but I doubt it Anno went as far as saying it in a interview. As far as things go I think Wikipedia's policy may have become too strict for some of notions presented here, despite how correct they may be 193.205.213.166 12:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply to 193.205...

 * It is true, but even the Evangelion page has the same problem (WP:NOR). See Evangelion's section "Inspiration and symbolism".

Does it follow, then, that the Evangelion article is a good example for this article to follow?


 * Apollonius gave to humans a crystal with a flame inside. That crystal had a power, which humans were supposed to use against Shadow Angels. In fact the popular version of Prometheus myth is slightly different from the real myth. Promotehus was glorified for giving the fire to humans, but he was an ambiguous trickster.

Yes, yes, that would be fine and good if it's mentioned in the show or in a source (I don't remember that dialogue; it might be as notable as trivia, as it doesn't have that much bearing on the show's plot).


 * I doubt you could find that info in the interviews. If we see the Evangelion page, it is said "Characters share their names with Japanese warships from World War II". This is true and easily verifiable, but I doubt it Anno went as far as saying it in a interview. As far as things go I think Wikipedia's policy may have become too strict for some of notions presented here, despite how correct they may be

Again, just because Eva and other B-class articles make unverified claims, doesn't mean that it should fly here— in fact, I'm pretty sure that's the primary reason why it's B-class. There is great information found in unsourced references, but unfortunately, they don't belong in Wikipedia. I didn't write the rules here, the general consensus is "verifiability, not truth". Magus Melchior 06:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Nobody at JAWP writes anything about mythology, probably because most people do not feel that it is more than just a passing reference. And considering the fact that even Evangelion's all those biblical references were just there because they "thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool" (Tsurumaki).... --朝彦 (Asahiko) 02:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the "Lunatic Archery" has greek roots or something. I saw Artemis using the moon as her bow in a picture.... http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC063035/artemis-kr.jpg Rokasomee (talk) 03:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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 * Link. - The Norse 18:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Please. Rokasomee (talk) 07:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Other stuff
Where it talks about "ending songs", it says "Arano no Heath", but on my copy of the OST, it's instead called "Kouya no Heath".... I'll change it for now, I guess? Rokasomee (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Episode 18's ending song is Sousei No Aquarion, in piano, violin, and some string instrument, and a flute, i think. I can't find the song on the OST though. It's definitely not Omna Magni, though. Rokasomee (talk) 00:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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