Talk:Geneva Business School/Archive 1

Merge from University of Business & Finance Switzerland
A merge from University of Business & Finance Switzerland needs to be performed, per Articles for deletion/University of Business & Finance Switzerland. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Improper editions by IP Users and BigCat82
I was warned by BigCat82 for 3RR! My response to this warning is to warn BigCat82 too who came into the article and with no consensus or discussion engaged into an Edit Warring here, here and here. The more this reaction continues, the more interested i will become in getting facts cleared and looking into payed editing. Janasommer (talk) 14:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I am a patroller and have nothing to do with this institution. You were warned because you violated multiple rules when I was patrolling this article. Even if you had genuine reasons to suspect someone was a murderer, you just couldn't say so until you could prove it, this is not something that is so difficult for you to understand. Check my message above I am giving you some time to prove it. BigCat82 (talk) 14:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * And you were warned because of your multiple unverified reverts. Removing paragraphs of content that are not in full favor of an institution is not a correct approach. Please seek consensus by bringing verified claims to the article. And please do not violate revert rules yourself. Janasommer (talk) 14:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * unverified reverts? Shall I bring this case into the admin board right away? I reverted your addition of unsourced controversial content three times when I was patrolling the pages you edited and is not a violation of any rule here, while you have reverted the edits from different editors at least 4 times which was a clear sign of edit warring. If someone wants to remove or add properly sourced content and one or more other editors don't agree, they need to seek consensus. But no consensus is needed for removing content that is a clear violation of Wikipedia policy, such as the removal of unsourced controversial information. You can't accuse someone or some organization of committing wrong acts without any source here - any addition of unsourced controversial information must be promptly removed. If the institution really blatantly falsely claimed so, you should be able prove it right away. Prove it, then refute it. I am giving you 24 hours to validate your allegations - in fact your content should be immediately removed but you are already tolerated here. I assume your fake retaliatory warning was made BEFORE reading my messages on your talk and the article talk, and I am not taking further actions in the next 24 hours. But if you continued to violate the policy you will be expected to be shown the doorway. BigCat82 (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * YES bring this to admin board please BigCat82. And be careful of your tone and rambling. Please stick to the facts here and avoid personal attacks. Janasommer (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * You have just removed your unsourced allegations after I said I would raise the issue to admins. For persistent policy violators with complete inability to comprehend Wikipedia policy the best way is to warn them against raising the issue to admins, and this time works very well. None of my edits here and on your talk page constitutes personal attack but some of yours clearly are - I have been an experience editor here don't try gaming policy and guideline here. BigCat82 (talk) 18:02, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah yeah, whatever. Any experienced user will see right through your wording. I am happy to have settled this nonetheless. Janasommer (talk) 10:40, 21 March 2014 (UTC) ✅

Unsourced edits and improper content removals from IP Users
I received the following message on my talk page (diff) : ''Geneva business School has never said she is accredited by ACBSP. Wednesday 22h49 pm 19 March 2014. Yes Geneva Business School has a dual diploma with Webber University. You would like to see the agreement? Wednesday 22h49 pm 19 March 2014. Yes The Program of Geneva Business School are accredited in Barcelona campus and Moscow campus according the IACBE rules. You can Ask IACBE president. Wednesday 22h49 pm 19 March 2014. If you need more info about Geneva Business School feel free to contact me (Dr Gacem dean@gbsge.com). Wednesday 22h49 pm 19 March 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.4.15.108 (talk) 21:59, 19 March 2014 (UTC)''


 * -Yes, you did. Geneva Business School added and kept reference to ACBSP membership since November 2011. This membership mention having been relevant for visitors, it is clear mention of its non-existence needs to stay here, but since it does not seem to be a controversy, i will move it out of there and into accreditation.
 * -The agreement with Webber University needs to be sourced as per WP:IRS, please stop removing content with no source.
 * -The Barcelona and Moscow campus are not accredited as per official source, please stop removing content with no source, it will be added back.
 * -Please read Beginner's guide to Wikipedia, even if we were to communicate by email, this would not be an acceptable source for this encyclopedia.
 * Janasommer (talk) 13:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * long story short. If the controversial content is unsourced, it can be deleted without any discussion needed - any editor can do this on any article. You can't add content with an invalid source while claiming the invalid source is invalid in the content - it is still unsourced plain and simple. BigCat82 (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It can, but in this case it should not. And no content was added. This is precision and detailing of an article updated mainly by the institution itself. Paid editing is not helpful in this case. Please help improve the article and do not delete what is bothering. Looking into doing this myself now. Janasommer (talk) 14:08, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * then you need to prove the institution did claim so before refuting their claim with valid sources. You can't start refuting something BEFORE you actually prove they did so - the burden of proof is of source on you. I am a patroller and I just reverted your violations - to an outsider and the general audience there is no way to tell if you are just adding false defamatory information, or correct information without any valid source - both are possible but the benefit of doubt is of source given to the institution. Judging from you past contributions I assume good faith and give you some time to validate your edits - find source(s) proving the institution claimed so and then find source(s) refuting their false claims - if they blatantly made such false claims, you can find sources very easily. BigCat82 (talk) 14:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Geneva Business School added and kept reference to ACBSP membership since November 2011. This membership mention having been relevant for visitors, it is clear mention of its non-existence needs to stay here, but since it does not seem to be a controversy, i will move it out of there and into accreditation again. Please seek consensus here if you find this incorrect, but i assume you will not. Same for the Barcelona and Moscow campus that are not accredited as per official source, this is very relevant for the article discussed. In regards to the agreement with Webber University, since it seems to be valid, a source will most certainly be found. Janasommer (talk) 14:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * the "source" you provided is just an old edit by someone, who may or may not associate with the institution. Anyone including you and I can also put some false information in certain articles concerning different organizations, then does it mean someone can use that information as a source to prove those organizations committing wrong acts and add content to refute them? If you see some wrong, unsourced information in any article, simply remove it, not adding content to refute it. Please read more on reliable sources. BigCat82 (talk) 15:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * BigCat82 Please review your position and wordings, you are clearly very sensitive on this issue for one reason or another. I would like you to stay civil please. Janasommer (talk) 16:28, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I have added appropriate source for Webber (you are welcome). But non-accreditation of mentioned campus stays, unless you can source the fact that they are accredited. Clearing a 3 years old fact stays too. I would appreciate other inputs or Admin feedback. thank-you. Janasommer (talk) 16:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Fine then. I am off to sleep, and let me bring this issue to admins and let them decide tomorrow. You have no valid source to prove anything so far and all the above are your own original research and opinions. BigCat82 (talk) 16:34, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Looking forwards to new editors fresh look and/or Admin review. Following the harsh interventions of new users / IPEditors :
 * - I have sourced the Webber partnership which seemed to be a great issue for BigCat82 and IP Editors, so that is done;
 * - Seems Dr.Reinhardt sourced the issue for Dr.Dominique Xardel, so that is done;
 * - Should the article mention the fact that Moscow & Barcelona campuses are not listed as accredited? - my opinion is yes, it is extremely relevant to this article and for readers;
 * - Should the article mention the fact that it was referring to an incorrect membership since November 2011? - my opinion is yes, for a period of time allowing readers to take note of such a correction, very relevant in this context. Janasommer (talk) 16:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Webber University and Dr.Xardel - agreed, done. The 2 unaccredited campuses - yes, it is important and relevant, should be mentioned. Past ACBSP membership reference, it indeed seems to have been backed by institution editors. Not sure what policies are, but users should see this correction IMHO. Dr. Reinhardt (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Done. Seems things are clear. Thank-you! ✅ Janasommer (talk) 10:41, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Advert Tag
Audit Guy - in its actual state, it seems the advert tag could in fact be removed (?) Janasommer (talk) 21:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Janasommer, If no promotional statements are used in the article, it can be removed. Audit Guy (talk) 02:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Audit Guy, missed this... seems IP user is adding promotional material, but as such the page is not using any promotional statements (anymore). I'm removing but would add it again if ever. Regards, Jana Janasommer (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Several reverts made on the page
Hi 213.3.9.58, please stop uploading promotional content on the page using the official website as a source making it totally subjective. In the meantime, reverting the same content is not allowed in Wikipedian rules and might give administrators the right to ban you from updating content on wikipedia. Thanks for your understanding, Janasommer (talk) 11:09, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sahnn, I see you reverted content on the school not being accredited by OAQ but wouldn't use any sources to justify content. Unfortunately, the source given shows it actually isn't and it therefore shouldn't be removed except if you do find a source stating it is. If you need any help or advices, I am definitely willing to help you. Thanks Janasommer (talk) 15:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Misleading. Private universities can be accredited. This is about recognition, not state ownership.
I have removed the links to state university since they suggest that accreditation can go only to state universities. That is obviously not the case, as bodies which are not state-owned do get accrediation. GBS lacks accreditation as a university, not simply as a state university. --Duncan (talk) 14:19, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Improper content removals from IP Users
In an effort to build a complete and fully referenced wiki page for this article I added fully referenced and relevant content to the information already provided by other contributors to the article. The additional content provided respects the accuracy of the information provided by other users. Providing additional referenced detail on facts is totally within wiki guidelines. The content I provide has been removed by an IP user without justification. Here is the relevant removal (which I have subsequently undone) 17:17, 8 March 2016‎ 213.152.164.114 (8,364 bytes) (-1,350)‎. . (reverting edits made by Pierre Hugot - leaving the IACBE accreditation update for the spanish campus) Pierre Hugot (talk) 21:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Mygbs
Insufficient sourced material to justify an independent article. - MrX 11:35, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Could you assist with merging this Mygbs into the "geneva Busines School" article? I have no clue how to go about doing that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierre Hugot (talk • contribs) 11:05, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

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Restored non-accrediation
The text about the lack of state accreditations was removed again, so I have added that back in.

I'd like to suggest removing the reference to the Association of Accredited Schools of Business International. This is a non-notable association formed by GSB and ten similar schools. It doesn't seem to have accredited anyone since then. --Duncan (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Hi!

Can someone please remove this sentence from the Academic Programs section: "In 2014, the school had 153 students (150 on campus, of whom 100 are international) and two staff with doctorates."

This is not public information and should not be included in this article. The source provided does not link to anything: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Http://whed.net/results_institutions.php

Thanks! Isabelle.higher.education (talk) 15:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isabelle.higher.education (talk • contribs) 14:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

❌ All unreferenced materials deleted   Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   17:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Accreditation status - State accreditation
Hi!

Can someone please change this section:

"State accreditation[edit source] In Switzerland, the school is not state-recognized as a university. Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ.[4] the OQQ's successor, "The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS."[5] However, the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.[6]

In 2015, GBS claimed that it had obtained Geneva cantonal authorizations to operate in 2001 and in 2002. This statement is no longer on the school's website. [3]

Despite IACBE acreditation, the United States Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) does not note GBS as accredited by any US government-recognized Accrediting Organization.[7]

In Russia, Geneva Business School is not recognized as a higher education institution by the Federal Service for Supervision in Education and Science (National Information Center on Academic Recognition and Mobility from the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation).[8]

In Germany, The University of Business & Finance Switzerland (UBFS) of Wettingen which has transferred its programs into Geneva Business School had the status of H- Nichtanerkannte Institution in the German Anabin database, indicating it is not accredited as university nor recognized.[9]"

There are several problems with this information:

The first sentence does not have a source.

This sentence "Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ.[4] the OQQ's successor, "The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS."

this one "Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ.[4] the OQQ's successor, "The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS."

and this one "In 2015, GBS claimed that it had obtained Geneva cantonal authorizations to operate in 2001 and in 2002. This statement is no longer on the school's website. [3]"

Are misleading as for much of this time GBS operated under a different name. In 2001 and 2002, University of Finance (UoF) was the founding name of the current Geneva Business School, and the original brand name. Geneva Business School integrated UoF programs into GBS when it established its name in 2010. I can provide you with the school website as a source: http://gbsge.com/history/ Also, I know this is a bit unorthodox, but by the Wikipedia page's own admission, GBS operated under a different name during this time as well.

This statement: "Despite IACBE acreditation, the United States Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) does not note GBS as accredited by any US government-recognized Accrediting Organization.[7]"

Is false. CHEA recognizes IACBE, which has accredited GBS: http://iacbe.org/about-page/chea/ Also, small point, but "acreditation" is misspelled here.

This statement: "However, the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.[6]"

Is misleading to say that EduQua is for non-degree programs when IACBE, which has also accredited GBS, does accredit degree programs: http://iacbe.org/accreditation/

Using the qualifier for one accreditation and not the other implies that these programs are not accredited when they are.

These last two statements are also misleading:

"In Russia, Geneva Business School is not recognized as a higher education institution by the Federal Service for Supervision in Education and Science (National Information Center on Academic Recognition and Mobility from the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation).[8]"

"In Germany, The University of Business & Finance Switzerland (UBFS) of Wettingen which has transferred its programs into Geneva Business School had the status of H- Nichtanerkannte Institution in the German Anabin database, indicating it is not accredited as university nor recognized.[9]"

GBS does not have campuses in either of those countries, and so discussing accreditation in those regions does not make sense.

Thanks!Isabelle.higher.education (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isabelle.higher.education (talk • contribs) 15:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Please see the request box above for more information regarding your request.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   17:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Hi!

Can someone please change this section:

"In Switzerland, the school is not state-recognized as a university. Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ.[3] the OQQ's successor, "The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS." However, the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.[4]

Despite IACBE acreditation, the United States Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) does not note GBS as accredited by any US government-recognized Accrediting Organization.[5]"

To this:

"In Switzerland the quality label for further education institutions EduQua has recognized Geneva Business School as a provider of continuing education programmes in Switzerland that meet its quality standards.

In 2001 and 2002, University of Finance (UoF) was the founding name of the current Geneva Business School, and the original brand name. Geneva Business School integrated UoF programs into GBS when it established its name in 2010.

CHEA recognizes IACBE which in turn recognizes GBS. IACBE has awarded GBS with program accreditation, a process involving a specific and comprehensive evaluation of particular programs offered by a higher education institution. Programmatic accreditation is available in many different disciplines. The IACBE provides a process by which institutions of higher education can earn program accreditation for their business programs ."

Reasons:

First sentence not sourced

GBS had a different name for parts of its history.

While GBS does offer non-degree programmes, these are not the programmes recognized by EduQua: https://alice.ch/fr/qualite/eduqua/institutions-certifiees/ Non-degree programmes: http://gbsge.com/other-programs/ degree programmes: http://gbsge.com/bachelor-programs/ http://gbsge.com/master-programs/

CHEA recognizes IACBE, which has accredited GBS: http://iacbe.org/about-page/chea/

Thanks! Chair.table785 (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Quotebox of your proposal along with reviewer's comments, dated: 22-JAN-2018
Hi!

Can someone please change this section:

"In Switzerland, the school is not state-recognized as a university. Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ.[3] the OQQ's successor, "The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS." However, the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.[4]

Despite IACBE acreditation, the United States Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) does not note GBS as accredited by any US government-recognized Accrediting Organization.[5]"

To this:

"In Switzerland the quality label for further education institutions EduQua has recognized Geneva Business School as a provider of continuing education programmes in Switzerland that meet its quality standards . ❌Reference does not confirm There is no listing for "Genf Wirtschaftsschule" in the source you provided.

Hi! The reason why you're not finding a listing for "Genf Wirtschaftsschule" is because that is not the official name of the school. The official name is Geneva Business School, which you can find listed (just type "Geneva" in the section "Nom" to find it quickly in your search): https://alice.ch/fr/qualite/eduqua/institutions-certifiees/

_______________

In 2001 and 2002, University of Finance (UoF) was the founding name of the current Geneva Business School, and the original brand name. Geneva Business School integrated UoF programs into GBS when it established its name in 2010.

Clarification: Request to delete sentences 2 and 3, and replace with this passage.

_______________ CHEA recognizes IACBE which in turn recognizes GBS. IACBE has awarded GBS with program accreditation, a process involving a specific and comprehensive evaluation of particular programs offered by a higher education institution. Programmatic accreditation is available in many different disciplines. The IACBE provides a process by which institutions of higher education can earn program accreditation for their business programs ."

Clarification: Request to delete sentences 3, and replace with this passage. (This sentence would follow: "In 2001 and 2002, University of Finance (UoF) was the founding name of the current Geneva Business School, and the original brand name[2]. Geneva Business School integrated UoF programs into GBS when it established its name in 2010")

_______________ Reasons:

First sentence not sourced

GBS had a different name for parts of its history.

While GBS does offer non-degree programmes, these are not the programmes recognized by EduQua: https://alice.ch/fr/qualite/eduqua/institutions-certifiees/ Non-degree programmes: http://gbsge.com/other-programs/ degree programmes: http://gbsge.com/bachelor-programs/ http://gbsge.com/master-programs/

Clarification:

Second sentence: Misleading as school operated under a different name for portions of this time.

Third sentence, specifically this passage: "the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua" this statement implies that degree programmes are not accredited by EduQua, which is not the case (search for Geneva to find the school page and listed programmes quickly): https://alice.ch/fr/qualite/eduqua/institutions-certifiees/

fourth sentence: Statement untrue, CHEA recognizes IACBE, which in turn recognizes GBS: http://iacbe.org/about-page/chea/ and : http://iacbe.org/accreditation/member-status-information/results/?BCountry=&BState=&BStatus=Accredited+Member&BAlpha=G

Thanks for your feedback! Let me know if you need any other information!

All the best. _______________ CHEA recognizes IACBE, which has accredited GBS: http://iacbe.org/about-page/chea/

 Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   17:15, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Hi!

Can someone please change this sentence: "Despite IACBE acreditation, the United States Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) does not note GBS as accredited by any US government-recognized Accrediting Organization.[5]""

To this: "CHEA recognizes IACBE which in turn recognizes GBS . IACBE has awarded GBS with program accreditation, a process involving a specific and comprehensive evaluation of particular programs offered by a higher education institution. Programmatic accreditation is available in many different disciplines  .  The IACBE provides a process by which institutions of higher education can earn program accreditation for their business programs ."

Thanks! Chair.table785 (talk) 13:27, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

✅ IACBE accreditation is now mentioned in the article.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   14:36, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Hi!

Can someone please delete this sentence: "In Switzerland, the school is not state-recognized as a university."

It does not have a source.

Thanks! Chair.table785 (talk) 13:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅   Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   14:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Hi!

Can someone please delete this sentence (Under the section "History"): "until now this college working illegally in Saudi Arabia [9]"

This statement does not have a source. The way the person wrote this makes it appear as if there is a source. However, the [9] is just text that does not lead to a hyperlink. If you look further within the article, you can see that 9 is used for an entirely different part of the Wikipedia article and leads to an accreditation page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chair.table785 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 26-JUL-2018
Please remember to always sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ ).  spintendo   22:04, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!

Chair.table785 (talk) 12:35, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Hi!

Can someone please change this section: "Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ.[3] the OQQ's successor, "The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS." However, the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.[4]"

To this: ""In Switzerland the quality label for further education institutions EduQua has recognized Geneva Business School as a provider of continuing education programmes in Switzerland that meet its quality standards ."

"In 2001 and 2002, University of Finance (UoF) was the founding name of the current Geneva Business School, and the original brand name . Geneva Business School integrated UoF programs into GBS when it established its name in 2010 ."

Reason for this change:

GBS had a different name for parts of its history.

While GBS does offer non-degree programmes, these are not the programmes recognized by EduQua: https://alice.ch/fr/qualite/eduqua/institutions-certifiees/ Non-degree programmes: http://gbsge.com/other-programs/ degree programmes: http://gbsge.com/bachelor-programs/ http://gbsge.com/master-programs/

Please note that Geneva Business School is the official name of the institution, which is the name listed on the EduQua site. "Genf Wirtschaftsschule" is not the name of the school. If you type "Geneva" into the "Nom" section, Geneva Business School will be one of the first organisations to appear.

Thanks! Chair.table785 (talk) 13:38, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

The reference you have provided for EduQua displays schools beginning with the letter A. Please provide the exact page where the information is shown. Also, it is not necessary to repeat the connected contributor template everytime a posting is made. Once at the top of the page is sufficient notice. Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   14:45, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback!

All the best, Chair.table785 (talk) 22:14, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * GBS does not only provide non-degree education. It also issues things called degrees. It is thus relevant to mention that the schoo, has continuously not held Swiss accrediation as a university. Duncan (talk) 16:23, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Some Proposed Changes
Hi!

Can someone please change this section: "Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ.[3] the OQQ's successor, "The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS." However, the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.[4]"

To this: ""In Switzerland the quality label for further education institutions EduQua has recognized Geneva Business School as a provider of continuing education programmes in Switzerland that meet its quality standards ."

"In 2001 and 2002, University of Finance (UoF) was the founding name of the current Geneva Business School, and the original brand name[2]. Geneva Business School integrated UoF programs into GBS when it established its name in 2010[3]."

Reason for this change:

GBS had a different name for parts of its history.

While GBS does offer non-degree programmes, these are not the programmes recognized by EduQua: https://alice.ch/fr/qualite/eduqua/institutions-certifiees/ Non-degree programmes: http://gbsge.com/other-programs/ degree programmes: http://gbsge.com/bachelor-programs/ http://gbsge.com/master-programs/

Please note that Geneva Business School is the official name of the institution, which is the name listed on the EduQua site. "Genf Wirtschaftsschule" is not the name of the school.

Thanks! Chair.table785 (talk) 18:19, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

✅ The EduQua certification has been verified and added to the article. Please note for future reference that the exact web URL for GBS's eduQua validity may be  found here . Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   20:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This is an inapproprate change. It is clearly relevant that the school is not accredited as a university.Duncan (talk) 16:24, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Untitled
Hi!

I would like to request changes under the Accreditation section:

1) Can this section be deleted:

"The Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.[3] According to EduQua, the label of certification which bears its name is "intended for all training institutions active in the fields of continuing education and basic training of adults, as well as the continuing education of unemployed persons."[4] The validity of EduQua certification, which is the responsibility of independent certification bodies, was granted to the Geneva Business School on 3 March 2015, and as valid until 2 March 2021."

Reason for request: Inaccurate information, Irrelevant information

Can it be replaced by the following:

Geneva Business School is also a member of the Swiss quality label for further education institutions (EduQua), a Swiss national quality assurance body and the “premier quality assurance body accreditation scheme for continuing education”

2) Can this section be deleted:

"In 2015, GBS claimed that it had obtained Geneva cantonal authorizations to operate in 2001 and in 2002. This statement is no longer on the school's website. [2]"

Reason: Unsourced information, Inaccurate information, Irrelevant information. The link just leads to the regular GBS page.

3) Can this section be deleted:

"Despite IACBE acreditation, the United States Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) does not note GBS as accredited by any US government-recognized Accrediting Organization.[6]"

Reason: Inaccurate information, Irrelevant Information. Geneva Business School is accredited by the International Accreditation Council for Business Education (IACBE) which is in turn recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA)

Can it be replaced by:

Geneva Business School is accredited by the International Accreditation Council for Business Education (IACBE) which is in turn recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA), and by the Association of Accredited Schools of Business International (AASBI).

4) Can this section be deleted:

"In Russia, Geneva Business School is not recognized as a higher education institution by the Federal Service for Supervision in Education and Science (National Information Center on Academic Recognition and Mobility from the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation)."

Reason: Inaccurate information, Irrelevant information.

5) Can this section be deleted:

"According to the IACBE, "The Geneva Business School has received specialized accreditation for its business programs through the International Accreditation Council for Business Education (IACBE).""

Reason: Intentionally misleading from the editor. GBS is fully accredited by the IACBE and the use of the word "specialized" is meant to diminish the impact of the accreditation.

6) In addition, can the following be added to the accreditation section:

“Geneva Business School is a QUALIFI Approved Center. QUALIFI is a UK Awarding Organization recognized by three major UK regulating bodies, Ofqual, the CCEA and QiW. This qualification allows GBS to offer its students degree programs from the University of Northampton.

GBS is registered on the Swiss Private School Register and is a member of the Swiss Federation of Private Schools. Finally, Geneva Business School is a member of the Swiss Association of Private Institutions of Higher Education (SAPIHE) .”

7) In addition, I would like to voice concern over the partiality of the contributor DuncanBCS. This user has a history of making changes to the GBS page that seem to purposely aim to place the institution in a negative light. This user's editing history also shows a pattern of targeting private business schools and making changes to the accreditation sections of their page . Other private schools have also voiced concern about this contributor's partiality with regards to private business schools, as evidenced by this quote on the Swiss Business School talk page: "Regardless of the accreditation position, your edits have an overly negative tone and seem to come off a biased opinion. The edits discredit nearly every single private institution in Switzerland. It puts everything out of context and leaves no room for private institutions, which do add value to the educational landscape."

While I respect and appreciate the important contributions DuncanBCS has made to many other Wikipedia pages, my concern is that this user is not impartial when making changes to the pages of business schools. I am not sure how best to proceed here, but I would like to request the assistance and perspective of another editor with this matter.

Thanks so much! Also, thank you Spintendo for all your helpful feedback.

All the best, Chair.table785 (talk) 13:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply 16-AUG-2018

 * It's unclear whether the changes you've requested are additions or deletions to the article. When quoting text, please specify whether the quoted text is to be removed or added to the article by stating Please add the following or Please delete the following, taking care to indicate the locations in the text for both instances. Another suggestion would be to number the requested edits, so that they are easily discerned within your post. When ready to proceed, please alter the edit request template's answer parameter to read from ans=yes to ans=no. Thank you!  spintendo   22:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply 17-AUG-2018
Thank you for labeling the directions as requested. Unfortunately, your edit request still cannot be reviewed because the provided references are not formatted correctly. The citation system used in the edit request ought to resemble whichever citation system is predominantly used by the article, per WP:CITEVAR. This would not normally be a problem in a request of a smaller size, whereas larger requests would be expected to provide this information. Note the example below:

 

The sun is pretty big. https://www.abcnews.com The moon is not so big. http://www.newssource.com The sun is also quite hot. http://www.somewebsite.com

In the example above there are three URL's provided with the claim statements, but these URL's have not been placed using the citation system predominantly used by the Geneva Business School article, which currently is the Cite example system. Using this system, the WikiFormatted text of the citations would resemble the items shown below:

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WikiFormatted text: The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot.

Which would display in the article like this: The sun is pretty big,[1] but the moon is not so big.[2] The sun is also quite hot.[3]

References

^ Sjöblad, Tristan. . Academic Press, 2018, p. 1. ^ Duvalier, Gabrielle. , Scientific American, 51(78):46. ^ Uemura, Shū. . Academic Press, 2018, p. 2. 

In the example above the links have been formatted to show author, source name, date, etc., all information which is lost when only the links are provided. As I indicated above, since Wikipedia is a volunteer project, larger edit requests such yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.

Kindly rewrite your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience. If you have any questions about this formatting please don't hesitate to ask myself or another editor. Regards,  spintendo   17:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply 15-SEP-2018

 * I don't agree with the proposed edits, and I regret that the editor has done them without winning a consensus for the suggestions. The fact that GBS does not have accreditation as the university from the countries in which is operates, or from any of the three leading accreditation bodies, is clearly relevant. we note these accreditations on other pages and should note the absence of them. the replies above do not establish consensus for the edits you are making. Win consensus here before removing text from the article. The point about whether or not facts are negative doens't matter: what is significant is whether they are referenced. --Duncan (talk) 05:06, 15 September 2018 (UTC)