Talk:Geneviève Lhermitte/GA2

GA Review
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Reviewer: Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs) 11:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I propose to take on this review. I see that this article has been a class project and that you have been working on improving it together since it failed its first GA nomination. I will review it in detail soon. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

First reading

 * You could do with more wikilinks. These should include - first degree murder, life imprisonment, post-partum depression, life insurance, mortgage, spa, psychiatrist, dermatology, goddaughter, jury, honeymoon, stepfather, sound mind, platonic, screenwriter, claustrophobia and protagonist. Added all of the Wikilinks suggested.
 * "was followed by two more daughters" - "had two younger sisters" would be better. I see you changed this.
 * "While Moqadem worked at a night-shop" - What is a night-shop? Changed to "convenience store."
 * "Lhermitte did not protest cohabiting with Schaar," - I'm not sure about the US, but "cohabiting" usually has sexual connotations in the UK, and it might be better to say "Lhermitte did not object to living with Schaar in his apartment as she thought it would be on a temporary basis." You're right. The word "cohabitating" does tend to infer a sexual relationship. I see you changed this, too.
 * "Between the births of her first two daughters, on June 17, 1994, one of Lhermitte's students flashed a gun at her that he had hidden inside his jacket." - this seems irrelevant unless the event contributed to her depression, in which case you should mention this fact. Yes, definitely irrelevant.
 * The Personal Life section has too many short paragraphs. 3 or 4 paragraphs should suffice. [See two points below.]
 * In the section "Crime", I think you should include the words "According to her account, ..." or "Lhermitte told investigators that ..." I've added two of these statements to clarify for legal purposes. I understand the Associated Press often requires these statements in crime reporting, but I wasn't sure if Wikipedia did, too. Nonetheless, they're added now.
 * The Crime section, and in fact all the sections, have too many short paragraphs. See the Manual of Style. All of the sections are shorter now. At first we were trying to make paragraphs short for the purpose of not overwhelming readers, but everything is changed to meet Wikipedia' style preference. The only exception is in the "Post-trial lawsuit" subsection, which needs two shorter paragraphs or else there's an awkward line break due to the picture.
 * "... so the trial focused on what drove Lhermitte to do so." - "... so the trial focused on what drove Lhermitte to kill her children" would be better. Changed to "...the trial focused on what drove Lhermitte to commit the crime."
 * I think you should replace the whole of the second paragraph of the Trial section with "Xavier Magnee told the jury, "Your task is to discover why a woman who had hitherto been a perfect mother suddenly exploded." Much more concise. Changed.
 * If "Investigators found the five children tucked in their beds, some with stuffed toys in their arms.", how come Nora's body was in the bathroom? Nice catch. Simple copywriting error. Changed to "Investigators found the four children tucked..."
 * The subheadings should be in lower case. Changed.

Response to first reading
Thanks for the comments. These were actually helpful. I changed everything you suggested. My specific changes are marked in bold next to each point. Sections have fewer short paragraphs, more Wikilinks are included, etc. Please let us know if there is anything else we can change for the "Good Article" listing. --Information-01152001 (talk) 02:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually the changes you mentioned above were made by Kslinker5493 who did them in the short time between my saving the first few comments and when I saved the rest.


 * The article is looking better but I don't believe the film poster image should be used. It would be OK in an article looking critically at the film but to use it as an illustration in this article is a breach of its copyright status. The copyright of images is a complex matter but you can see some examples of what is and what isn't allowed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. The movie poster is taken out now. We had a lot of trouble finding a fair use image from Lhermitte's life, trial, etc., even after contacting a few news agencies to whom the copyrights belong. But if the poster's copyright doesn't allow for its use here, the article will just have to go without any photographs. --Information-01152001 (talk) 15:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

GA Criteria

 * 1a The article is generally well written with good quality prose
 * 1b The article conforms with the MOS guidelines.
 * 2a&b The article is well referenced and has inline citations for all contentious statements.
 * 2c There is no original research as far as I can see.
 * 3a&b The article covers the personal life of the accused and the main aspects of the case without including irrelevant content.
 * 4 The article is neutral
 * 5 The article was created on 8th February 2013 and has been edited by a number of people since then as a class project.
 * 6&7 There are no images. This is understandable because of the nature of the subject.
 * Overall assessment - Pass.