Talk:Genome Soldier

FOXHOUND
The Genome Soldiers are indeed stated as part of FOXHOUND in Metal Gear Solid (or at least Twin Snakes), so I agree with the merging.
 * I say no. This is an expansion which would make the original article way too long.--68.32.11.74 00:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They're not exactly part of FOXHOUND. They're reservees or future FOXHOUND members in training. The game clearly makes a distinction between FOXHOUND and the Genome Soldiers. Jonny2x4 00:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's either there or List of Metal Gear Solid characters. They're minor characters. Sort of. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should just create a List of Metal Gear organizations or List of Organizations in Metal Gear, since they aren't exactly notable characters either. I think if Dead Cell and the Cobras get their own articles, why not the Genome Soldier. The Genome Soldiers at least have a more established backstory. This is also allows to describe other notable organizations such as the Gurlukovich Mercenaries and ArmsTech. Jonny2x4 16:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But these aren't notable organizations. They're minor groups in the backstory or groups of cannon fodder. I think it's a problem that Dead Cell and the Combras have their own articles; I've been meaning to trim the heck out of most of those articles and merge them into the game and character list articles. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I oppose on the merging. FOXHOUND consisted of Liquid, Ocelot, Raven, Wolf, Octopus and Mantis. The Genome Soldiers were apart of Next Generation Special Forces unit. -- Tuspm  [Leave Me A Message] 17:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you oppose the merge or oppose the target? I suggested FOXHOUND because the NGSF/Genome soldiers only appear in support of FOXHOUND. Personally, I'd prefer to redirect this to Metal Gear Solid with a couple of sentences in the plot summary explaining their origin. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose,Well, i don't think they should go to List of MGS Characters, but if they do end up being merged, I think they should go to FOXHOUND (The Bread 10:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC))

Someone pick a target or I'm going to send this to AFD. It sure as heck isn't encyclopedic as a stand-alone article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 10:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, don't send it to AFD. You would loose the info about the Genome soliders that this article posses (if it's deleted) and it appears that you are the only one who wants to do anything to tis article (Of the 4 people that have said anything (68.32.11.74, Jonny2x4, Tuspm, You and I)). (The Bread 03:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC))
 * Nothing in this article is particularly encyclopedic, as it's ridiculously specific, unsourced cruft. It needs to redirect somewhere. Please pick somewhere. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then, FOXHOUND, but then that's just me (User:The Bread 05:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, if we merge to FOXHOUND, we're going to be back here in a month. I'm going to be up front; I want to see every article except the game articles, the character lists, and the major characters merged. Wikipedia isn't here to document the fictional history of the MG world, but instead to describe works of fiction, offering enough context in the form of plot summary to allow other discussion. FOXHOUND, for example, I want to break up and merge into the games' plot summaries; in general, no more context than "FOXHOUND, Snake's former unit..." (in the MGS article) is necessary for non-hardcore-MG fans, and hardcore MG fans can go to specialist sites. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thing is, as with Outer Heaven, FOXHOUND is a recurring element (It has appeared in one form or another in every single game) of the MGS series and you could expect people to look it up. If you dumped it and sprinkled amoungst the games you'd have a problem of where to redirect a search for FOXHOUND to (Hence the need for the article). And I expect it will be difficult for you to get all the support you'd need to carry out your plan stated above (The Bread 06:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC))
 * FOXHOUND and Outer Heaven would redirect to Metal Gear (series), and the intro would state "The Metal Gear series is about FOXHOUND agent Solid Snake's continuing battle against the latest Metal Gear and the latest incarnation of Outer Heaven" or something like that. As for support, the fact remains that all of these articles are dupe content. There's nothing you can say about FOXHOUND or Outer Heaven or the Genome Soldiers or whatever that isn't plot summary of the games, and the place for plot summary is in the game articles. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 16:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If it goes into the plot summary, It should go into the plot summary. Take the Cobra Unit article that was redirected to MGS3. That contains nothing on the Cobras other than that they were present during the events of MGS3. If you look at articles such as Comic Book Guy (A minor character in The Simpsons) they get their own page and include insignificant aspects such as

- He also owns a T-shirt that says "C:\DOS C:\DOS\RUN RUN\DOS\RUN." This sort of mindless nothing gets an aricle but not one of the most well known video game organisations in the world. This is all off the topic though so for-now I suggest we just merge this article into another article it's either FOXHOUND or MGS Characters, i've already cast my vote. (The Bread 04:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC))


 * Hey, I think the Comic Book Guy's article is a disgrace, too. It's just that there's only so much I can do at a time, and this stuff needs cleaning up too.


 * And one of the most well known video game organizations in the world? A little perspective here, please. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I added that last comment purely for effect and it appears it didn't work, but as I said above the main issue here is this article and I think it should either be merged into FOXHOUND or, in hindsight, left alone.

Also as I also said above, if this article, FOXHOUND's or any other is merged with others, you would have to make sure you go into, not a great amount, but some amont of depth when talking about it, i.e Just small notes on their backstory which can be placecd where they are first introduced in the plot summary. But i still think it should either be merged into FOXHOUND or, in hindsight, left alone

(The Bread 23:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC))&(The Bread 23:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC))


 * I don't want to lose the core information (although a lot of the detail can be lost IMO). What I'd rather do is give each organization/character/whatever a paragraph in the series article that points you to the right place to learn about the organization. The Genome Soldiers can be handled in two sentences, and the rest of this needs to be left to the background guides (which Konami is trying to make money selling) and fansites. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

So what's the verdict, what should we do to this Genome Soldier article? I'm thinking FOXHOUND for now under the Under Liquid Snake's Command heading (As you said not much more than two sentences is needed about them) (The Bread 02:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC))
 * If we're doing that, why not point it to Metal Gear Solid? "FOXHOUND and the Genome Soldiers, a unit of genetically-engineered soldiers, take Shadow Moses hostage, and demand such-and-such amount of money and the remains of Big Boss. (The Genome Soldiers need the remains to fix fatal flaws in their genetic modifications.)"
 * Not the greatest wording, I know, but it hits the salient points: they're genetically engineered, they rebel with FOXHOUND, and they need Big Boss's body. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I suppose thats alright (The Bread 02:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC))


 * WAIT i've got a better idea, the Big Boss article already has a section on the Genome Soldiers, why not add the note above to MGS and redirect the article there (Big Boss)? (The Bread 03:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC))
 * Because I think they're more-closely associated with the one game in which they appear. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, too true, well then I will get to work on redirecting this to MGS1 (The Bread 03:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC))