Talk:Genshin Impact/GA2

GA Review
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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 17:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the ✅ tag to state when something is addressed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Genshin is a good game but its sometimes laggy you may ask why its beacuse it has montad and inazuma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1930:AD50:6D5D:8DD7:D515:3FD9 (talk) 21:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't get why some references are listed as primary sources, when the main list of references contain primary sources? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Lede

 * Genshin Impact[a] is an action role-playing game developed and published by miHoYo. - my understanding is that we generally have a release year in the opening sentence. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've looked at several other video game FAs and they have the release year in the second sentence, so I reworded the lede so that is the case.NightFire19 (talk) 14:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Our article is at open world. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The game is online-only and features a limited multiplayer mode allowing up to four players to play together. It was released for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 4, Android, iOS in September 2020, for PlayStation 5 in April 2021, and for Nintendo Switch sometime later. - this seems a bit more important than the bit about character switching and gatcha. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The story follows a twin, referred to as the Traveler, who has traveled across many worlds with their twin but has become separated from them by an unknown god in Teyvat- well, it doesn't follow a twin, it follows a person who has been seperated from their twin. - is there anything more relevant about the player character? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen about the game, it's rather vague about any specifics related to Traveler, possibly so the player can place themself as Traveler. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 19:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Lede could probably have some info from the release and development sections. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

General

 * open-world action role-playing game - WP:SEAOFBLUE, open world isn't really a genre either Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * four interchangeable characters - interchangeable is usually used to describe bland characters, is that what we mean? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Link items in the first instance in the body - miHoYo for example. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The game had a development and marketing budget of around $100 million, which was recouped quickly after release - from game sales, yes? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Removed mention of sales, instead made mention that it's one of the most expensive video games developed.NightFire19 (talk) 22:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The name of the game "Genshin Impact" is used a lot in reception and development - can we not say "The game", or whatever occasionally? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Prior to its release the game had over 10 million registrations, with over half of that from outside China - this is actually the first time in the article that we mention that the game was developed in China. We only mention the game is based on Chinese Culture, but that's about it. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Mentioning where the game was developed is irrelevant. I've looked through several other FA/GA video game articles and they make no mention of the country of origin. Simply clicking on the miHoYo link would inform the reader that the game was developed in China.NightFire19 (talk)

22:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The article specifically says about Chinese (or outside China) players. This is quite out of place as the first mention of this. We can't expect users to read another article. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:42, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Other terms not related to Chinese politics are banned as well, such as "Putin", "Hitler", and "Stalin".[68] Several threads on the game's subreddit discussed the censorship, with various users noting that innocuous terms such as "enemies" and "words" were also being censored.[69] - is this really worth mentioning? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * We mention what people are doing on reddit alot, are these really all that notable? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've removed mention of reddit.NightFire19 (talk) 22:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Duplicate links: Breath of the Wild, gacha system, Google Play, subreddit, iOS, cross-platform play.

Review meta comments

 * I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 17:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you got any update on this Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 21:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I can help by taking over as nominator, unless the original nominator reemerges from their absence, or if another editor is keen on finishing it off. Haleth (talk) 02:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Drive-by comments from Piotrus
I am somewhat interested in this, so here are my few cents. One of the main concerns I have is that the current article is not 'comprehensive' enough when it comes to describing topics that the players care about. First, characters - they are both very important to players and the main source of revenue for the company, yet the article doesn't even list them at all. Second, I think each version of the game should have a brief description, probably in a 'versions' section (to be added) to the development section. Both of those would be very easy to source - each character, and each version generates dozens of articles in the gaming media.

Another issue I note is that the plot section is unreferenced. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't really see how it matter what players want - this is an encylopedic article about a subject. Are there secondary sources that talk about the characters? If so, then sure, if not, no need. Plot sections are generally sourced to the media itself and are usually unsourced. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that there are secondary sources about the characters, after doing a cursory search. Although, the plot is overly long (>700 words) and doesn't seem to go anywhere or have a proper conclusion as one would expect from a proper plot summary. The development section as it currently exists is a bit thin as well. If I take over, can I have an extension of time so that I could familiarize myself with the outstanding issues, and hunt for more sources which aren't discussed in the article? Haleth (talk) 14:25, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * So long as it's being actively worked on, I have no issues. I just don't want this to go stale. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:49, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and no worries. I am fairly active on Wikipedia these days, and at this point in time I can definitely spare the time to work on developing this article. I'll be taking over then. Haleth (talk) 15:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I wouldn't be asking for WP:OR. As Haleth already noted, there are plenty of sources about characters, past and announced. The problem is, to some degree, their sheer amount and the need to update the relevant section on a monthly basis - every month between one to four new characters are announced, and they each get quite a lot of coverage. Now, their quality is generally meh and they are pretty similar, many are from clickbait sites, but the buzz is there. I'd oppose having articles about them (given the quality of sources), but I think their names and brief descriptions need to be somewhere. A dedicated section under plot summary with a list of playable characters would likely be best. To end, here are few sample sources from the more reliable outlets about just one of the recently characters: https://www.siliconera.com/ayaka-moveset-feels-helpful-even-at-lower-levels-in-genshin-impact/, https://www.pcgamer.com/genshin-impact-ayaka-build-banner/ , https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2021/07/21/genshin-impact-ayaka-build-the-best-builds-artifacts-and-swords/ , https://www.pcgamesn.com/genshin-impact/ayaka-banner-and-abilities , https://screenrant.com/best-ayaka-build-genshin-impact-weapons-artifacts-talents/ , https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-ayaka-banner/ , https://techraptor.net/gaming/guides/genshin-impact-ayaka-build-guide ... and there are more. Not to mention stuff like dedicated reddit channel for this character, you can buy her cosplay set and other merchandise, there are youtube reviews, etc. Sure, the latter we don't use as sources, the point is it's "big" and while, again, I don't think we should have dedicated articles about such characters (I don't think the quality of soft news-like coverage here is sufficient for notability), they need to be briefly mentioned in the article. Ping me if you need help working on this, User:Haleth. PS. Recently a crossover event with a character was annouced, there is a bit of controversy and even more coverage then usual, with https://kotaku.com/horizon-s-aloy-joins-genshin-impact-is-cute-as-a-butto-1847343864 , https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/genshin-impact-first-free-five-star-character-is-aloy-from-horizon-zero-dawn , https://www.pcgamer.com/genshin-impact-is-getting-a-horizon-zero-dawn-crossover/ , https://www.thegamer.com/aloy-horizon-zero-dawn-forbidden-west-genshin-impact-bad/ , https://www.dualshockers.com/genshin-impact-lore-fans-unhappy/ - and note this second set of examples is about the character who is not even out yet, but will be released on 1-2 months (no specific date given AFAIK). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  05:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There's over 70 characters. Is this not more suitable to a List of Genshin Impact article? Do these characters have particular levels of impact on the plot? If not, that's pretty WP:FANCRUFTy. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * With regards to Piotrus' comments, another article titled Genshin Impact post-release content, patterned after something like Destiny 2 post-release content, can and should cover the aforementioned material. It's a game as a service, so new characters, regions and updates are constantly being introduced, and because there is regular analysis by a lot of reliable independent sources, I do not consider it trivial or "fancrufty" since it does not run afoul of WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. For a full list of playable character, I agree that a Characters of Genshin Impact article should document that kind of information albeit with brevity, something akin to Characters in the Super Smash Bros. series. The characters do have something of an impact on the game's various story content, but most importantly, there is coverage that talks about the real money pooling that is involved with their acquisitions, and there is often coverage of numerous in-game elements from a real world cultural perspective. This article is a good summary of Genshin Impact 6 months after launch. For now, I'd like to stay within the scope of the GA review. An article about the base game should be more high level in scope and less focused on the minutiae. Haleth (talk) 02:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * it appears that NightFire19 has been editing the Genshin Impact article just a few days ago. Given that they are the original nominator and appears to be active on Wikipedia again, I'll withdraw from making any proposed improvements on the article as the nomination no longer appears to be abandoned and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. That said, if you do not believe that the nominator is communicating properly or addressing any of your concerns about the article in a timely manner, feel free to fail the nomination, as I personally believe that it is not ready to be a GA-class article and requires more sourcing and work due to the breadth and scope of the subject. Haleth (talk) 02:59, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'll also ping authors of Draft:Characters of Genshin Impact, User:Awesome Aasim and User:Ahthga Yram. They may be interested in contributing here (both the discussion and the main GI article) as well. I stand by my view that this article cannot be considered comprehensive without mentioning each and every character. While a lot of the coverage about them is low quality soft news, I think there is enough that a character list is totally warranted (and can be well referenced). PS. Food for thought: Characters of Final Fantasy XV. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:10, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh hello. I have a plan to run Earwig's copyvio detector in the whole article and also in the character's draft. Namdau15 is the original author of the draft. (I think so but there are some users editing in the page too, but they are not adding references. In terms of the plot I think that the game itself are the only sources (WP:OR?). In terms of The draft I'll cut the length of the content so it will not be too long to read.. i'll come back when things are good. User:Ahthga YramTalk with me! I want to change my name! 05:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think I agree that because something is a service, that means the detail is somehow not then fancruft, but as we really haven't gotten anywhere over getting this near promotion, I'm going to fail this and ask the nominator to look at the points above before renomimating. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)