Talk:Gentile/Archives/2021/September

Kabbalah references
If the books are available on Google Books as you say, then the refs that were added should at least take us to the book, even if not to the pages mentioned. The refs are not in standard format and they don't take you anywhere. As I said, the content was changed quite radically pointing to sources that are to my mind still unverified. If no one else chimes here about this, I reserve myself the right in the future, time allowing, to try and verify these sources, and if they are indeed kosher as claimed, try to fix the formatting of the refs so they take the reader somewhere. But if I can't find any trace of the content referred to, I will also revert back to the previous version, and remove these doubtful additions. Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 18:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Where do you get the idea that sources have to be on the internet? It isn't so, see WP:SOURCEACCESS. So you can't remove material just on those grounds. You can challenge sources on grounds of reliability (usually you can identify the author and publisher even if you can't read the book), and you can challenge the way the material is presented on grounds of WP:NPOV or otherwise. You can't just claim it is unverified because you haven't been able to verify it. I have verified that the quotation from Isaac Luria appears in the book of Brill as claimed. I can't read the full page in the book of Mittleman, but the quotation from Moses de Leon is in another book I have from Oxford University Press so that's enough verification. The comments on the Tanya are not controversial and I could easily add more sources. Zerotalk 06:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a logical problem in his sequence, where he goes from Luria back to Moses de Leon, who lived 2 centuries earlier than Luria. And he is using Moses de Leon to support the Luria quote, and that does not work logically. I am suspicious of his references, because the citations are not correct. I am glad you are at least confirming that some of them are legitimate. Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 18:19, 7 September 2021 (UTC)