Talk:Gentrification in Philadelphia

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Hello Syrenka V -- I said a prayer to the patron saint of lost causes and jumped into this article. You are invited. I'm taking stock of the sad sack of External references first. Here is my thesis, for which I already have a couple of good sources: A city in decline sinks as a whole, a city with some economic growth experiences gentrification which is by its nature uneven. When certain neighborhoods improve, the lower income residents are displaced yada yada. I would like to make sure to manage the fork with List of Philadelphia neighborhoods. Residential areas aren't the only areas upheaved. Retail changed too. Rhadow (talk) 23:04, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi ! This doesn't look like a lost cause to me at all, just a hot mess. This is an example of the practical importance of providing full academic-style references and inline citations for every Wikipedia article, even those on non-academic-looking topics—including archival via WebCite or the Wayback Machine whenever possible, for everything except published books and academic journal articles. It looks as though a number of the dead external links are still there at other URLs, and can be revived and used as references. For example, the link Penn Offers Cash Incentive to Increase Home ownership in University City is dead, but a Google search on its title turns up this live link to the article as the very first hit. If it had been referenced with archival, it would never have been gone from the Wikipedia page. I suspect that if even a few full academic-style references to very substantial sources like this had been provided as this article was constructed, no deletionist would ever have dared to place an AfD tag on it.
 * —Syrenka V (talk) 23:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I would also suggest adding this to the ARS rescue list. —Syrenka V (talk) 01:13, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Syrenka V -- You think that's something I should learn to do myself ... or Sawyer-style it? Here is what I discovered so far: the various Philadelphia neighborhood articles are not well referenced either.  This little project will touch a bunch of articles. We have some FORK work to do. Rhadow (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, it's just that all of the additions to the rescue list for the last several weeks have been by me, except for three by Cunard. I don't want to give anyone the impression that I'm trying to WP:OWN the rescue list :-) I'm also still involved in trying to counteract the deletionist crusade against Bitcoin-related articles like Bitnation and Bitcoin Magazine. And now Cunard has informed us that there are two more such, ItBit and LocalBitcoins—all nominated for deletion by the same user!
 * —Syrenka V (talk) 01:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Getting back to the present article: from the REF fields in the "External links" section, it would appear that someone was trying to achieve the effect of decluttering the main text by keeping all the references in one place and citing them with short tags. That's a desirable goal, but a much better way of achieving it is the use of something I discovered recently: list-defined references and the r template. I've started a list-defined reference set inside the "References" section. One nice feature is that you can mix list-defined references with other types; you don't have to make the change all at once. References can be moved one by one from the main text and the "External links" section into the "References" section.
 * —Syrenka V (talk) 02:00, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

POV
Instead of dynamiting the existing piece, I am trying to retain the organization of the article by neighborhood. This requires attention to POV. The existing text carries with it an attitude of development is bad. This needs to be balanced with a recognition of the inevitability of change and the positive effects of neighborhood improvement. Rhadow (talk) 14:02, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Just the facts, ma'am
The geographic details belong in the main articles about the neighborhoods. Only when they are related to gentrification do they go in this article. Analysts use distance from City Hall as an independent variable in gentrification calculations in Philly, so it is included.

Gentrification has first to do with real estate, then with class, race and ethnicity. The article is not a sociological study of the neighborhoods. Rhadow (talk) 14:32, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

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