Talk:Gentry/Archive 1

Untitled
I would consider this article a stub. Some explanation of the British gentry, in contrast to the nobility, seems in place here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renke (talk • contribs) 22:25, 11 February 2004 (UTC)

removed last paragraph
It seemed inconsistent with the previous paragraph. As I see it, Gentry in Britain are small landowners while the aristocracy are very large landowners. This paragraph describes gentry as bankers and industrialists... i.e., classic Bourgeois. My understanding is that 19th century British politics were an alliance of the (Whig) Bourgeoisie and Aristocracy vs. the (Tory) Gentry and Monarchy, which is hard to fit into the Gentry=Bourgeoisie equation. David s graff 10:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

bourgeoisification
Is this correct? "In American society, gentry is sometimes taken to refer loosely to a highly educated professional upper-middle class, though this is inaccurate sociological terminology as this group usually lacks the aristocratic roots and values of true gentry. This inaccurate sense of the term is what is often perjoratively referred to in the use of the term gentrification, a term that would more accurately be called bourgeoisification." 195.24.29.51 13:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

That doesnt really make any sense and it wouldnt be 'accurately' called bourgeoisification, 1. Because in the US as far as Im aware pretty much everyone is middle class or 'bourgeoise' 2. the term dosent exist, so its inaccurate.86.156.52.67 (talk) 11:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Bush Family
Shouldn't there be a reference for the Bush family statement? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.31.47.161 (talk) 01:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Gentry vs. Landed Gentry
There two options in my mind: 1. This article, i.e. GENTRY, is separate article from the (British) Landed Gentry article and expounds the term it in it's widest  possible sense. It should thus describe the echelons of the rural upper classes, nobles, rural patricians-a member of a long established land owning wealthy family, bishops, vicars of larger larger parishes- Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic etc. These mentioned classes are  connected to the traditions of  Manorialism and the last vestiges of the feudal society in the rural setting. To the previously mentioned group does not include city patricians ex., the tradition of urban aristocracy, (Netherlands, German Towns- Hansa, Venice, Florence) established merchant, industrialist or academic families-dynasties.

2. Wipe out this article i.e. GENTRY and merge it with the Landed Gentry article and limit thus the discussion to the exclusive British term, LANDED GENTRY, that describes only thr minor land owning aristocracy in Britain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dondiegos (talk • contribs) 18:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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DEFINITION-QUESTION
GENTRY is in my humble opinion as the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary says: people of high social class in the past - rural societyor as in Old French genterie, from gentil ‘high-born, noble’)

LANDED GENTRY: Landed gentry is a traditional British social class consisting of "gentlemen" in the original sense; that is, those who owned land in the form of country estates to such an extent that they were not required to actively work, except in an administrative capacity on their own lands. The estates were often (but not always) made up of tenanted farms, in which case the gentleman could live entirely off rent income.'' MY COMMENT. Burke's Landed Gentry IS NOT A DICTIONARY THAT ACCURATELY DEFINES THE TERM LANDED GENTRY, BUT PRESENTS IN Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage WHO WHERE NOT MENTIONED Burke's Peerage. SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage WHICH WAS CREATED AS A SUPPLEMENT LIST TO Burke's Peerage BY ACCIDENT OR TRADITION DEFINES THAT ONLY THE MINOR BRITISH ARISTOCRACY etc. IS THE LANDED GENTRY OR IS IT SIMPLY those who owned land in the form of country estates to such an extent that they were not required to actively work.''

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