Talk:Geoffrey Hayes

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Stock replenisher
"...he took a job working as a stock replenisher for ... Sainsbury's" - sorry, but the internet is allergic to humour and subtlety: if he worked as a shelf-stacker, it's probably best to just say that he worked as a shelf-stacker Dom Kaos (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * As a previous employee of Tesco (though Sainsbury's may be different), I was a Stock Replenishment Operarative, and can say with a degree of certainty that shelf-stacking itself is simply one (albeit the most visible) of a number of distinct duties an SRO has. Unless we know for certain that Geoffrey just stacked the shelves, sticking to his job being referred to as Stock Replenishment Operarative is probably both safer and more accurate.


 * Anyone unclear as to what a Stock Replenishment Operarative is can always find a Wikipedia entry with a full description of the job role. Pobatti (talk) 20:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Jimmy Saville connection
Given the recent situation regarding Jimmy Saville's alleged activites, and that there are various other (as yet un-named) public figures and celebrities under investigation in connection with Saville, I believe that something needs to be altered regarding this line:

"This led to him missing the funeral of close friend Jimmy Savile."

While a pretty innocent note at the time, the situation has changed concerning the public's perception of Saville, and it's currently difficult to read this without immediately reaching certain (potentially libellous) conclusions. Given current circumstances, is this line even noteworthy enough to deserve a place on Wikipedia given that the phrase is no-longer as innocent sounding as it once was. I believe the note should be removed or re-worded in some way, at least until the police investigation into Saville's activities has concluded, on the grounds of taste and fairness to Mr Hayes. Pobatti (talk) 19:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This line has returned with the words "close friend" dropped, but still absolutely no source, and per WP:BLP: "Contentious material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." - we should not imply that Hayes was invited to but unable to attend Savile's funeral unless we have a reliable source that states this.
 * I've cut it pending a source. --McGeddon (talk) 17:27, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion due to lack of sources
Hello, the vast majority of Mr Hayes's page has no citations whatsoever. An amendment to add his accident in 2011 continues to be deleted due to lack of sources. This line was in for the best part of the past two years and was only removed due to a reference to Jimmy Saville (note this related to his funeral and was written a year before the unpleasant stories emerged). Considering virtually the whole page is unsourced, why cannot this one line be included, as the logic does not make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.118.84 (talk) 17:03, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Per WP:BLP, any biographical material which is challenged can be removed immediately "whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable". If you want to challenge the assertion that he also appeared in a crisp advert or a pop video, go ahead - if any other editors care about it, they'll look for a source that supports it and add it back. If you're keen for the article to mention a cycling accident, all you need to do is provide a source showing it to be true. If it didn't get any press coverage at the time, then per WP:V that tells us that it's not significant enough for an encyclopedia article either. --McGeddon (talk) 17:25, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

birthname
I've removed mention that his birthname was "Charles Geoffrey Hayes" as I'm unable to verify this in any secondary sources (the two given were "findmypast", which is currently down but which is primarily a collection of primary sources, and a local history site that may or may not be reliable and provided no way to verify that it related to the correct individual). Thryduulf (talk) 14:28, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This has now been sourced with the Guardian obituary. Samuel J Walker (talk) 14:01, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Date of death
There is no question that his death was announced on 1 October, but did he die on 1 October or 30 September? The Guardian's obituary says 30 September. The Hearald's obituary says 1 October. I can't find anything else that explicitly says one way or the other (although I'm not registered with The Telegraph so can't see their full obituary). Thryduulf (talk) 16:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * who have been going backwards and forwards with this. Thryduulf (talk) 16:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Herald's obituary is not a reliable source.Ednamode5700 (talk) 03:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Protection
Due to persistent silly vandalism (usually repeating the same thing about who was at his bedside) by various anonymous users, often with misleading edit summaries, I've semi-protected the article for 3 days. Thryduulf (talk) 21:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)