Talk:Geography of Albania

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The section about borders needs some clarification. It requires too much knowledge of geography. And, it is not clear what is meant by political balance, why natural borders were essential and why the border occurs west of the mountains.

It seems to me that this section is a hidden reply to the allegation that the borders of Albania were assigned unjustly in the fear of a too powerful Albania. True, talk about political balance may mean that fear, and also borders west of the mountains might mean the same.

I think the topic of Greater Albania should explicitly be discussed in the article, at least mentioned. Andres 16:55, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The small-size new map is not readable. The simple map was much clearer. I think we still need it. As to the bigger version, it is not shown big enough either, at least by my browser. Besides, the readable map should be in the body of the article, so it would be more usable. Andres 16:41, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)


 * The large one is 1019x1274 pixels (the small one is 300x375 pixels) and it should be readable, make sure your browser isn't resizing it. The old one didn't show much besides some city names (which the larger version has) so I thought I wouldn't make the page longer to load by having two maps. We can put it back in if you think it's still needed. Dori 16:49, Oct 22, 2003 (UTC)


 * You are right, my browser resizes the large map. Anyway, I think that the old map is still needed. Andres 18:47, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)


 * OK, I restored it. Dori 21:57, Oct 22, 2003 (UTC)

I found an image of Albania from space (NASA's Earth Observatory), don't know if they should be included in the article Dori 05:25, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)


 * I think the more pictures the better. Andres 09:41, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * added it Dori 15:03, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)

Why the names of the rivers are definite whereas the names of cities are indefinite?


 * I started using indefinite for the rivers too, but for some of them it just didn't sound right so I changed them. This is because in Albanian you would not use the word river, i.e. you would just say Vjosa (except for something like the Lumi i Tiranës where you have to distinguish from the city). For most cities, I think indefinite sounded better and it was also more widely used according to some google tests that I did (except Tirana which is used in that form internationally). Dori 14:58, Nov 22, 2003 (UTC)

What about "Shkoder Lake" as it stands in this article? Should it be "Shkodër Lake" or "Shkodra Lake"?


 * I think it should be either Shkodër Lake (because in Albanian it would be Liqeni i Shkodrës) or Skadar Lake as it is called by some other countries (since part of it is also in Montenegro). Or both of these forms could be used to distinguish whether we're talking about the Albanian side or the Montenegro site (the same debate would apply to the Ohër and Prespa Lakes). Dori 14:58, Nov 22, 2003 (UTC)

I am not sure that "White" and "Black" should not be in English. Andres 09:30, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * I thought about this too, but again it sounded weird and people might expect the Albanian names when they search and not realize that part of the name could be translated. When/if an article is written about any such river, both forms and the english translated form would be included, and redirects will be made appropriately. Dori 14:58, Nov 22, 2003 (UTC)

The introduction compares the size of Albania to that of the state of Maryland. To me, as a non-US citizen, that means nothing whatsoever. I'm guessing it might have come from the CIA factbook, but should we really include such non-NPOV comparisons? Or should we add other comparisons from well-known places across the world? Eg, "similar in size to the US state of Maryland, the European... and the Asian..."? --Sam

Natural border that makes "best possible separation of national groups"
"With the exception of the coastline, all Albanian borders are artificial. They were established in principle at the 1912-1913 conference of ambassadors in London. The country was occupied by Italian, Serbian, Austrohungarian, Greek, and French forces during World War I, but the 1913 boundaries were essentially reaffirmed by the victorious states in 1921. The original principle was to define the borders in accordance with the best interests of the Albanian people and the nationalities in adjacent areas. The northern and eastern borders were intended, insofar as possible, to separate the Albanians from the Serbs and Montenegrins; the southeast border was to separate Albanians and Greeks; the valuable western Macedonia lake district was to be divided among the three states-- Albania, Greece, and Yugoslavia --whose populations shared the area. When there was no compromise involving other factors, borderlines were chosen to make the best possible separation of national groups, connecting the best marked physical features available."


 * Natural borders is a border between states which is composed of natural formations such as rivers, mountain ranges, or deserts. First sentence of above mentioned paragraph is absolutelly wrong because there is border between Albania and Montenegro that goes along river Buna, North Albanian Alps (Jezerce, Djeravica peaks...), mountain peaks Koritnik, Korab, Velivar, Pllaja e pusit, Gramos, various mountaines, lakes and rivers and middle of Corfu channel. Borders of Albania were not established at the 1912-1913 conference of ambassadors in London. Final borders with Montenegro and Serbia and especially with Greece, were established later. Also, author forgot about country that occupied biggest part of Albania during FWW. "Best interests of the Albanian people and nationalities in adjacent areas" as "original principle" for border demarcation never existed, as well as "intention to separate the Albanians from the Serbs and Montenegrins" with borders. Lack of compromise when establishing borderlines that were meant "to make the best possible separation of national groups" is something that does not belong to this article, as well as the rest of this paragraph with wrong informations.

Based on above mentioned I propose to delete above mentioned paragraph.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Problems in the section of Borders
The section of "Borders" has been written without giving any source, with extreme POV paragraphs going against sources and even other Wikipedia articles. I would invite the contributors to source their claims that the borders of Albania separated justly one ethnicity from the other. (Edvin (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2015 (UTC))
 * As far as I can see, there is no source for your version either (Wikipedia can not be a source for Wikipedia), and it can easily be argued that your version is even more extreme POV. It also seems that you do not quite understand how Wikipedia works. After having been reverted the first time, your next step should have been to initiate a discussion in the talk page (please read WP:BRD). Instead you have reverted to your version not only once, but three times against different editors. Such behaviour is called edit war and will inevitably lead to your being blocked. If you want to show that you will follow Wikipedia rules, I suggest that you undo your last revert. Then we can discuss. --T*U (talk) 14:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The article is titled "Geography of Albania" & ethnic-pov written history information in such an article is unacceptable to the scope of this article at least.Alexikoua (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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