Talk:Geography of China/Archive 1

Map
The map on this page needs some NPOVing to be like Image:Smaller_map_of_China.png. --Jiang 07:24 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * Done. --[So how your going tooday??
 * That would be me. You see, a lot of the articles had american comparisons, so I wanted to NPOV that. this being the english wikipedia, I added english countries. You will see these comparisons on some articles, but most of them dont have it yet. Earl Andrew 19:21, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Meaning of the word "China"..
The term "China" in this article is obviously referring to the PRC, which is not following the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Political NPOV. The set of conventions says

" Wikipedia reflects the neutral reality and considers the term "China" not to coincide with any particular sovereign state or government. In particular, the word "China" should not be used to be synonymously with areas under the current administration of the People's Republic of China or with Mainland China. ", and

" Wikipedia treats the Republic of China as a sovereign state with equal status with the People's Republic of China, yet does not address whether they are considered separate nations. ".

In my opinion this article should either be rewritten, to refer to China as a region, or have the title changed. &mdash; Instantnood 18:16, Feb 17 2005 (UTC)

Fourth Largest
The article says that China is the Fourth largest country in the world after the US. It then states that China is slightly larger than the US. Make up your mind.


 * Quite correct - I've removed those unnecessary, and self-contradictory, size comparisons. - DavidWBrooks 18:52, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_the_United_States

This link states US is the 3rd largest country in the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_China

This link states China is the 3rd largest country in the world

Which one is the largest country in the world?

Quote:
 * Chinanews, Mar. 31 - The page introducing China on the website www.cia.gov of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) shows that China is "slightly smaller than the US" in territory. According to statistics released by CIA, the area of China's territory is 9,596,960 square kilometers while that of the United States is 9,631,418 square kilometers.
 * This saying disagrees with Chinese people's common sense in geography. Doesn't China rank third in the world behind Russia and Canada in territory, but fourth behind the US?
 * Investigations find that all other authoritative websites and publications of the US declare that the US's territory is larger than China's. The US national geographic website www.nationalgeographic.com and the electronic encyclopedia produced by Microsoft also make the same statement.
 * According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, China has an area of 9,572,900 square kilometers and the US's territory is 9,518,287 square kilometers.
 * Mr. Wu, spokesman from the Basic Mapping Management Office of the National Territory Mapping Department of the State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping, revealed that the task aiming to confirm the accurate area of the Chinese territory had been completed. It will be clear which country is the third largest in territory when the figure is published at an opportune time

Schrödinger&#39;s cat 16:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There isn't a definite answer as to which one is larger, as there are different ways to measure the area. For example, if you measured the surface area, china would probably be bigger, but when measuring it "the simple way" USA turns out to be bigger. Also, do you count in the lakes? rivers? ponds? islands? overseas territories? disputed territories? the ice in alaska? and the list goes on and on. --HJV 01:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Area of a political entity is always counted 'the simple way', by which I assume you mean projecting boundaries onto the earth spheroid and integratinopsojgsoigjfjsigjsfggsigjfg area across the spheroid surface. (Conversely, the 'hard way' would be to integrate area over the 3d surface formed by mountains, etc.). As for the categories of area to include:

non-dependent-territory islands -- always yes rivers, ponds, wholly internal lakes -- always yes border lakes (great lakes, caspian sea) -- judgment call coastal, 'internal' waters -- judgment call, what matters most is a consistent definition of 'internal' territorial sea -- generally no contiguous zone, EEZ -- always no  dependent territories -- debatable but probably not. if anything, quote with and without disputed territories -- safest to quote with and without, generally disputed territory is included under a country that has had long-term control sea ice -- irrelevant, depends on what sea classification it falls under —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.177.126.183 (talk) 03:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Just because there is not a definite answer, so I suggest to add a disputed tag after the rank number, and list the both answers to the readers. — Schrödinger&#39;s cat 16:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Who knows this mountain range?
In the WikiProject Nuttall_Encyclopedia_topics, we hit on the "Yung-Ling" mountains,
 * Yung-Ling is a mountain range running north and south, which forms the eastern buttress of the tableland of Central Asia.

Does anybody know, what the current name of these mountains is? The source is from 1907, and Google doesn't help much. Is it Da Hinggan Ling? Thanks--J heisenberg 15:47, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

i think Yung-Ling = 雲嶺

Great wall length
Is there a reason why the Great Wall is listed as 3300 km long here? Other sources (including Great Wall of China) put it at ~6350 km. i don't want to change it since i don't know if this is a reference to a particular part of the wall ... --Sbmehta 07:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Borders
I summed up measures of each border but got a strange result...

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According to the article are Chinese Land boundaries: total: 22,143.34 km. What's the point? --Miincee 11:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The border disputes section treats the USSR as if it were still a going concern. Perhaps referring to the region as "the former Soviet Union" or as "the Central Asian Republics" would be a good fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fidelsempre (talk • contribs) 00:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Gobi Desert
The article currently states that the Gobi Desert is "one of the world's largest and hottest", while Gobi Desert states "The Gobi desert is a cold desert", and Geography of Mongolia states extreme temperatures of 38C in the Gobi. The later quoted 45C here is not attributed to any source. Temperatures in the interior of Australia, or the Middle East, or the Sahara, and indeed elsewhere in China, regularly go into the high 40's, and even the low 50's, which would seem to make the claim that the Gobi is one of the hottest dubious at best. High temperatures attributed to Western China would seem to be better attributed to the Tarim Basin & its associated Taklamakan Desert, which indeed has anecdotal high temperatures of 50+C, but which is not considered geologically to be a part of the Gobi. This is supported in the article Gobi Desert in the geography section.

Additionally, List of deserts by area puts the Gobi at #4 for size. I'm proposing this line should be changed to the factual statement "the world's fourth largest desert", with a link to the appropriate Gobi Desert wiki page. Fehrgo 15:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, the reference to the size of the Gobi is better left to the Gobi Desert article. Update made with unsupported statements removed. Fehrgo 15:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge/Delete
THE MAP SHOWING CHINA HISTORIC MACRO AREAS SHOULD NOT BE DELECTED. THE CURRENT CHINA POLITICAL, CULTURAL, ETHNIC CRISES IS HAPPENDING BECAUSE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS AVOIDING THESE REALITY ABOUT CHINA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korean1manchuria (talk • contribs) 12:55, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The page Geography of China should be deleted, with the correct sections being merged into the articles georaphy of Taiwan or geography of the PRC. There's no reason why we should have Geography of China (it's like creating an article called Geography in Britain (for the region which is Great Britain and Brittany) and then creating a page called Geography in Great Britain (the Island)). In other words, this is one of the most pointless sets of two pages.User:Spacevezontalk 16:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

PAST, PRESENT, FOR THE FUTURE. CHINESE AND CHINESE GOVERNMENT ARE AFRAID OF TRUTH. IT'S THE TRUTH THAT WILL DESTROY OR DISMANTLE CHINA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korean1manchuria (talk • contribs) 00:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Data source or references of this image
Bounds...--59.61.148.206 (talk) 13:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

China have been divided by historic macro areas. Thats the truth. China political agenda and China historic agenda are two different situation. Wikipedia should add this map. Its would be very educational for Non-Chinese Past, Present, and for Future China wasn't unified nations. It was separated by many historic macro areas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korean1manchuria (talk • contribs) 12:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry. My indefinite word makes you misunderstand. Part of Korean Peninsula and North Vietnam had been controled by China, But south Vietnam not("never firmly control").--117.25.12.85 (talk) 13:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry. My indefinite word makes you misunderstand. Korean Peninsula never been controled by China, But instead Koreans or Korean Kingdoms such as Ko-Chosun, Korguryo-Balhae Kingdoms, Koryo-Chosun-Kando territory clearly shows Koreans had firmly control Korean Peninsula and Manchuria region. History, Settlement, Cultural Geography always have been Koreans. Not Chinese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korean1manchuria (talk • contribs) 00:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

See History of Korea--220.250.63.35 (talk) 06:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. The "Chinese plain" (dark yellow) is a well know concept, same for the Han area (yellow), Tibetan plateau, Sichuan isolate topography, Southern hills, Tarim bassin, Steppes, Mandchuria plain, etc. That's de facto topographic areas, which add naturally their human/historical side. Every book about Chinese history talk about the "tibetan tribues", the Mandchou plain peoples, the Sichuan exception (as a stronghold), etc. See : Gernet, Le Monde Chinois, and so so many books. As soon as you had read several books about the whole Chinese history, you can see that all authors are constantly using these macro areas to explain populations, cultures, wars and conquests. I putted those concepts into a map, following well know topographic limits. Simply.
 * 2. For vietnam, the Han, Tang, Ming dynasty are enough to claim some controls for the 2/3 north.
 * 3. For the fact that "montagnard" Korean peoples have controled both sides of the Changbai mountains, look at the Korean-Chinese history.
 * Accordingly, I restore the map. Thanks. Yug (talk)  06:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

MAP CLEARLY SHOWS MANCHURIA BELONGS TO KOREANS. KOREANS CONTROLLED MANCHURIA AND BOTH SIDES BAEKDUSAN/BAEKDU MOUNTAIN. LOCAL/NATIVE WORD IS BAEKDUSAN NOT CHANGAI MOUNTAIN. FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE SAYING KOREAN KIMCHEE WITH CHINESE OR JAPANESE TWIST PRONUNCIATION. IF YOU GOING TO USE THE WORD CORRECTLY ITS CALLED BAEKDUSAN NOT CHANGBAISAN OR MOUNTAIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreaBaekDooSan (talk • contribs) 07:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Typo in a picture
I think there is a typo in the "The Geography of China" .png file (second image) -> "Northeastern Plan". I can't fix it as I lack the software for it (I wouldn't know how to use it anyway :)) ).

NPOV
http://www.gvm.com.tw/gvsrc/200907_GVSRC_others_E.pdf

The proof is in the links above, under section five.

"This GVSRC survey shows that 80.2 percent of Taiwanese people think they are members of the Chinese. 94.5 percent of pan-blue supporters think they are members of the Chinese, and 77.7 percent of independent voters say so."

and

"80.2 percent of Taiwanese think they are members of the Chinese; 57.6 percent say people on the two sides across the Taiwan Strait both belong to the Chinese. The results are similar to those from a year ago."

T-1000 (talk) 05:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * First, you have claimed in your edit comments that the article is about the geography of "Chinese Civilization", however the title of the article is not "Geography of Chinese Civilization". That should be the title if that is to be the topic.


 * Second http://www.kmt.org.tw/english/page.aspx?type=article&mnum=114&anum=7354 indicates that 62% of the people of Taiwan consider themselves "台灣人" (Taiwanese) and not "中國人" (Chinese).


 * Third, your source in English says "Chinese"; it is not clear whether this is "中國人" or "中華人". The latter is an ethic term.  Ethnicity does not imply country or civilization.


 * Please find a source to support your POV push. Readin (talk) 05:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Rather than debate about this, I've moved the page to Geography of mainland China, since that's what it is about. T-1000 (talk) 04:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * you did not move, you copy-pasted, which is unlawful according to CC-license. Now you'll have to wait for the target to be deleted, then move it, and convert the resulting redirect into a dab. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 00:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I didn't know it was going to be a problem. T-1000 (talk) 00:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed (deleted cut'n'paste copy at Geography of mainland China, moved Geography of China to that page-location, left a redirect at old-name so readers and editors can track where it went and links from other articles don't break. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. DMacks (talk) 05:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Move
I have undone the move from "Geography of China" to "Geography of mainland China" because no reason was given. "Geography of the People's Republic of China" need to be merged because it is a near duplication of this article.--Jiang (talk) 01:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Jiang. Regardless of anyone's political views, the fact is that the "Geography of China," the "Geography of mainland China" and the "Geography of the People's Republic of China" must all discuss the same physical locations, with the only differences being some variations in boundaries which can be discussed within an article.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Given the recent renaming of the PRC article, this makes even more sense now. Readin (talk) 14:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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2nd paragraph
The last sentence on the 2nd paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. 84.13.33.63 (talk) 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Merge with Geography of the People's Republic of China
Both of these articles seem to be extremely similar and should be merged together as they basically seem to be duplicates of each other. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 21:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree Copies of each other, no other article needed. Buggie111 (talk) 01:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Post-merger, the article now includes geography of all of China(s) including the Republic of China (Taiwan)
Previously, the Geography of China and the Geography of the People's Republic of China (PRC) existed as separate articles, with the former including description of the geography of the Republic of China and the latter restricted only to the geography of land actually controlled by the PRC. After the merger of the two China geography articles into the Geography of China, this article now includes both the geographies of the People's Republic of China and Republic of China. The addition of the following into the topography section is not POV:


 * The highest point on the island of Taiwan is Yushan at 3,952m. The island of Hainan reaches a maximum elevation 1840m in the Wuzhi Mountains.
 * ContinentalAve (talk) 08:27, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * So the decision has been made to push the Chinese POV that Taiwan is part of China? When was this decision made?  I don't see it in the discussion.  I don't see evidence of a request for merge or request for move.  Nor do I see a request for a waiver of the NPOV policy. Given how small Taiwan is compared to mainland China, it is quite possible to write an article that is NPOV by not making special mentions of Taiwan and by pointing the controversy when it is necessary to mention Taiwan.   The addition of the highest points in Taiwan and Hainan appears to be an attempt to find some way to include Taiwan in the article and thus reinforce Chinese claims rather than an attempt to provide relevant non-trivial information. Readin (talk) 14:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Topography section : check need
Hello, I found a source stating : "China have been divided by communists into 5 homogeneous physical macro-regions, namely as the Eastern China (subdivided into the northeast plain, north plain, and southern hills), Xinqiang-mongolia, and the Tibetan-highlands". I reorganized the Topography section accordingly. But the section need several fixes : Yug (talk)  21:56, 15 March 2012 (UTC) (French user)
 * 1) find a better balance between sections
 * 2) find a better balance between important and non-important physical items, and their importance in texts
 * 3) write again with a better English and smoother subject change
 * 4) merge with sections #Geography ?
 * I made a clean up, but the article's outline is pretty poor, thus the repetitions (#Geography, #Topography, ...) A better approach by layers is to encourage. The Geography of the United Kingdom's outile is interesting. Yug (talk)  09:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

From the Tibetan Plateau and other less-elevated highlands rise rugged east-west trending mountains, and plateaus interrupted by deep depressions fanning out to the north and east. The Tibetan Plateau is a vast, elevated plateau covering most of the Tibet Autonomous Region and Qinghai Province in the People's Republic of China and Ladakh in India. With an average elevation of over 4,500 meters, it is the highest and biggest plateau in the world and an area of 2.5 million square kilometers. A continental scarp marks the eastern margin of this territory, a scarp that extends from the Greater Khingan Range in northeastern China, through the Taihang Mountains (a range of mountains overlooking the North China Plain) to the eastern edge of the Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau in the south. All of the low-lying areas of China, which support dense population and intensive cultivation, are to the east of this scarp line.
 * Generalities

The east-west ranges include some of Asia's greatest mountains. In addition to the Himalayas and the Kunlun Mountains, there are the Mount Kailash (Gangdise) and the Tian Shan ranges. The latter stands between two great basins, the massive Tarim Basin to the south and the Dzungarian Basin to the north. Rich deposits of coal, oil, and metallic ores lie in the Tian Shan area. The largest inland basin in China, the Tarim Basin measures 1,500 kilometers from east to west and 600 kilometers from north to south at its widest parts. The Himalayas form a natural boundary on the southwest as the Altai Mountains do on the northwest. Lesser ranges branch out, some at sharp angles from the major ranges. The mountains give rise to all the principal rivers. The spine of the Kunlun Mountains separates into several branches as it runs eastward from the Pamir Mountains. The northernmost branches, the Altyn-Tagh and the Qilian Range, form the rim of the Tibetan Plateau in west-central China and overlook the Qaidam Basin, a sandy and swampy region containing many salt lakes. A southern branch of the Kunlun Mountains divides the watersheds of the Yellow River (Huang He) and the Yangtze River (Chang Jiang). The Gansu Corridor, west of the great bend in the Yellow River, was traditionally an important communications link with Central Asia.

North of the 3,300-kilometer-long Great Wall, between Gansu Province on the west and the Greater Khingan Range on the east, lies the Mongolian Plateau, at an average elevation of 1,000 metres above sea level. The Yin Mountains, a system of mountains with average elevations of 1,400 metres, extends east-west through the center of this vast desert steppe. To the south is the largest loess plateau in the world, covering 600,000 square kilometers in Shaanxi Province, parts of Gansu and Shanxi provinces, and some of Ningxia-Hui Autonomous Region. Loess is a yellowish soil blown in from the Inner Mongolian deserts. The loose, loamy material travels easily in the wind, and through the centuries it has veneered the plateau and choked the Yellow River with silt. Because the river level drops precipitously toward the North China Plain where it sluggishly crosses the delta, it carries a heavy load of sediment in the form of sand and mud from the upper reaches, much of which is deposited on the flat plain. The flow is controlled mainly by constantly repaired man-made embankments while floods and course changes have recurred over the centuries. As a result the river flows on a raised ridge fifty meters or more above the plain, Traditionally, rulers were judged by their concern for or indifference to preservation of the embankments.

The Paleozoic formations of China, excepting only the upper part of the Carboniferous system, are marine, while the Mesozoic and Tertiary deposits are estuarine and freshwater, or else of terrestrial origin. Groups of volcanic cones occur in the Great Plain of north China. In the Liaodong and Shandong Peninsulas, there are basaltic plateaus.

Flowing from its source in the Tibetan highlands, the Yellow River courses toward the sea through the North China Plain, the historic center of Chinese expansion and influence. Han Chinese people have farmed the rich alluvial soils of the plain since ancient times, constructing the Grand Canal of China for north-south transport. The plain itself is actually a continuation of the Northeast China Plain to the northeast but is separated from it by the Bohai Gulf, an extension of the Yellow Sea. Like other densely populated areas of China, the plain is subject not only to floods but to earthquakes. For example, the mining and industrial center of Tangshan, about 165 kilometers east of Beijing, was leveled by an earthquake in July 1976 that reportedly also killed 242,000 people and injured 164,000.

The Qinling mountain range, a continuation of the Kunlun Mountains, divides the North China Plain from the Yangtze River Delta and is the major physiographic boundary between the two great parts of China Proper. It is in a sense a cultural boundary as well, influencing the distribution of custom and language. South of the Qinling divide are the densely populated and highly developed areas of the lower and middle plains of the Yangtze and, on its upper reaches, the Sichuan Basin, an area encircled by a high barrier of mountain ranges. The country's longest and most important waterway, the Yangtze River is navigable over much of its length and is now the site of the Three Gorges Dam. Rising on the Tibetan Plateau, the Yangtze River traverses 6,300 kilometers through the heart of the country, draining an area of 1.8 million square kilometers before emptying into the East China Sea. The Sichuan Basin, favored by a mild, humid climate and a long growing season, produces a rich variety of crops; it is also a leading silk-producing area and an important industrial region with substantial mineral resources.

Second only to the Qinling as an internal boundary is the Nanling, the southernmost of the east-west mountain ranges. The Nanling overlooks the part of China where a tropical climate permits two crops of rice to be grown each year. Southeast of the mountains lies a coastal, hilly region of small deltas and narrow valley plains; the drainage area of the Pearl River (Zhu Jiang) and its associated network of rivers occupies much of the region to the south. West of the Nanling, the Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau rises in two steps, averaging 1,200 and 1,800 meters in elevation, respectively, toward the precipitous mountain regions of the eastern Tibetan Plateau.

The Hai River, like the Pearl and other major waterways, flows from west to east. Its upper course consists of five rivers that converge near Tianjin, then flow seventy kilometers before emptying into the Bohai Gulf. Another major river, the Huai, rises in Henan Province and flows through several lakes before joining the Yangtze near Yangzhou. Inland drainage involving a number of upland basins in the north and northeast accounts for about 40 percent of the country's total drainage area. Many rivers and streams flow into lakes or diminish in the desert. Some are useful for irrigation.

China's extensive territorial waters are principally marginal seas of the western Pacific Ocean; these waters wash the shores of a long and much-indented coastline and approximately 5,000 islands. The Yellow, East China, and South China seas, too, are marginal seas of the Pacific Ocean. More than half the coastline (predominantly in the south) is rocky; most of the remainder is sandy. Hangzhou Bay roughly divides the two kinds of shoreline.

Areas of China have experienced earthquakes. On 23 August 1976, a major earthquake in Tangshan killed hundreds of thousands of people. However, most regions of China do not experience earthquakes, as major population centers are a long distance from fault lines. Tangshan is one of the few places in China that is located within an earthquake zone. There are few volcanoes in China.

New outline : toward the article rewriting
A new outline heve been proposed. This outline purpose is to ease the NEEDED full rewriting of this article. If you can source and write one single section with with ~15 sourced lines, your help is welcome ! Yug (talk)  17:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Old Western Geographies of China
http://books.google.com/books?id=U6VDAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=TEcNAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=DlICAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Removal of section of lead (china has been divided into...)
"China has been officially and conveniently divided into 5 homogeneous physical macro-regions: Eastern China (subdivided into the Northeast plain, North plain, and southern hills), Xinjiang-Mongolia, and the Tibetan highlands[citation needed]."

I have removed the above section of the lead because it is uncited and when looking for information to back it up I found instead conflicting information and a lack of consensus on the matter, such as here and here talking about a "ladder topography", and not agreeing on a number of basic regions to divide the country into. If you know where the information came from and have a source, please add it back in. Messier104 (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2015‎ (UTC)


 * This similar sentence, "The topography of China has been divided by the Chinese government into five homogeneous physical macro-regions, namely Eastern China (subdivided into the northeast plain, north plain, and southern hills), Xinjiang-Mongolia, and the Tibetan highlands.[4]," starts the general overview.  It is confusing because of the placement of the parentheses.  It says five regions, and then gives only three.  It takes re-reading to guess that, instead of some sort of mistake in counting, the five regions are nep, np, sh, XM, and Th.  A better wording would be something like, XM, Th, nep,np, and sh (the last three also lumped together as EC).' Kdammers (talk) 03:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Copyvio
I'm just placing a notice that this page contains definite copyvio from this source. Elysia (Wiki Ed) (talk • contribs) 20:33, 2 November 2018 (UTC)