Talk:Geography of Minnesota

Merger proposal from Minnesota main land regions
The merger proposal was originally on Minnesota. This article is more appropos. The new article proposed to be merged here has almost no content and is entirely duplicated here so deletion would be more appropriate. Kablammo 10:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The merger tag has been removed and Minnesota main land regions has been proposed for deletion. Articles_for_deletion/Minnesota_main_land_regions Kablammo 20:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal from Greater Minnesota
Greater Minnesota is really nothing more than a definition, and a parochial one at that. (Who outside the state has ever heard of it?) The article contains that definition, and a list of outstate colleges and universities which is not really germane. Can we not incorporate that definition here, and do away with the separate article? Kablammo 23:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. Both articles are small and cover similar subject matter.--Appraiser 00:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Based on the same comments as Appraiser. RyguyMN 04:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed per above. -Ravedave 01:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Now merged. Kablammo 12:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Move to new article?
On Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Minnesota I am floating the idea of moving this article to a new article to be entitled Geography of Minnesota, which eventually would be a top-level piece incorporating regions and other geographical information. Kablammo 16:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Gopher backer 18:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions
Possible areas for improvement:
 * Geology- cut back, given detail already in Minnesota and Geology of Minnesota; focus instead on topography and physiographic regions
 * Flora and fauna- perhaps just address regional variations, including biomes; summarize Ecology of Minnesota
 * Climate- add climate types, growing regions, and regional variations, but without duplicating Climate of Minnesota except in very summary fashion
 * Regions- either break into subsections, or subsume content in remainder of article. Main regions under any classification seem to be NW, NE, SW, SE, and Central (and sometimes Metro); other areas are just subregions within them.
 * Perhaps add new sections on:
 * Demographics (summary of Demographics of Minnesota)
 * Political subdivisions (perhaps include in Demographics)
 * ''Transportation (summary of Transportation in Minnesota)

Kablammo 21:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Regions
The attempt to add the Great River Road as a region may be an impetus to rationalize the template and organization of this page. We may want to consider having regions and subregions, See List_of_regions_of_the_United_States for how North Carolina handles it. Unlike North Carolina, I would go further and limit the state template only to the larger regions, but that would be a closer question. (If everyone adds their favorite subregion the template would get pretty crowded.) One possible division of regions which seems to be well-recognized, and of subregions, is:
 * Northeast/ Arrowhead)
 * North Shore
 * Iron Range
 * inland/ National Forest (not an article now, except for Superior National Forest part of it, and North Woods (multistate), which extends into Central MN)
 * Boundary Waters? (questionable why this is distinct from the rest of the forest area)


 * Northwest
 * Red River Valley (multistate/province)
 * Big Bog (needs an article)
 * Northwest Angle


 * Central Minnesota
 * Twin Cities metropolitan area
 * Southwest Minnesota (needs an article)
 * Minnesota River Valley
 * Coteau des Prairies
 * Buffalo Ridge (part of above)
 * Pipestone Region? (questionable why this is a distinct region; very short article)


 * Southeast Minnesota
 * Driftless area (multistate)/Hiawatha valley

These six large regions are recognized geologically and geographically. The department of tourism lists four regions: This classification, with the two combinations mentioned, is not far off the 6 geographic/geologic regions.
 * NE
 * North Central/West (combining Central and NW)
 * Metro
 * South (combining SW and SE)

Within each region we can let people add subregions, if supported by external sources.

We still of course will note in the article other divisions, such as Congressional districts and biomes.

Kablammo 19:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't regions simply be any area that with cultural, historical, political or geographical significance on a size beyond a single county and/or spannning beyond a single city? This eliminates the small areas on the local level.  If it is inside a single county inclusion would have be to be significant in one or more of those 4 areas.


 * I thought the template was meant to highlight Minnesota. The GRR highlights the entire miss river region inside the state.  The state of Minnesota itself is who does this.


 * --flyingember —Preceding comment was added at 00:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments and your interest. The problems I have with the suggestion are twofold:
 * The Great River Road is not a region, but a ribbon of highway which, with its nearby features, is being promoted for educational and tourism purposes, on areas which may not have much in common except for their proximity to the river.
 * More importantly, the Great River Road in Minnesota goes through very distinct regions. South of the Twin Cities it goes through a deep and scenic valley, which continues for hundreds of miles downstream.  It has a lot in common with the valley along Wisconsin, Iowa and Illinois.  But upstream of Minneapolis the river is small and relatively insignificant, and did not have much of an effect on the landscape, at least in comparative terms.  The North Woods area where it originates, and the post-glacial landscape of Central Minnesota, are completely different from what most people associate with the Mississippi-- there is no deep valley, no wide river, no river traffic.  While scenic in its own right, Mark Twain might not even recognize it as his river.
 * So while your suggestion makes sense for the river downstream of Minneapolis, it seems to be an artificial construct to call the river upstream of there part of a common region.
 * Kablammo 00:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Since when was chisago county part of the metro? It's got hazelden and taylors falls, but other than that its just corn mostly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacemutiny (talk • contribs) 18:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Chisago County is part of the United States Census Bureau's definition of the Minneapolis-St. Paul Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA).--Appraiser (talk) 22:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Like so many of the Minnesota articles, this one is excellent. However, I am not so wild about the "regional" breakdown by political congressional district, nor demographically, nor culturally. These all seem to me to require separate articles and are not part of geography at all. Student7 (talk) 02:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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