Talk:Geology of Somerset

clyst
"Many of the latter rivers now have clysts on them to control the sea,". What is a clyst? I'm sure the writer meant sluice, but I'm not even sure that is the right term, and wonder if they meant a word similar to clyst? --Derek Andrews 12:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * See discussion on Talk:Somerset Levels Clyst is mentioned in   it talks about "clyses" (the local name for a sluice) (p72) &mdash; Rod talk 13:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Geography
In my view (as a graduate in Geography and Geology) quite a lot of this article would be better moved to the missing Geography of Somerset article in order to concentrate on the geology. Does anyone else agree? Pterre (talk) 11:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I had a look in Category:Geography of England by county and whilst this category had sub-categories for quite a few counties, none of the counties had an article entitled Geography of countyX. So the obvious question is why break up a GA-class article? I also looked at your last 500 edits, you've worked on the Geography of Kent, which does not appear in Category:Geography of Kent, and the Geography of Great Britain; and you've added a Geography section to numerous articles. Comparing Geography of Kent with Geology of Somerset, I'm prepared to admit that simply renaming Geology of Somerset to Geography of Somerset would solve your "problem", give or take some minor editing, and give a GA class geography article. Interesting you don't edit many geology articles, with the exception of Geology of Great Britain. Are you offering to do a Geology of Somerset article to replace the current one, should there be some consensus that it could be renamed Geography of Somerset? Pyrotec (talk) 17:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added Geography of Somerset to the requested articles at WikiProject Somerset. Can you suggest any guidelines as to what should be in articles for "Geography of X" or "Geology of X". As this has recently achieved Good Article status I would be loath to make massive changes without a clear rationale & idea of what was going to be in each of the articles in future.&mdash; Rod talk 19:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rod got in before I saved my response to Pyrotec:
 * Hi Pyrotec, I appreciate you've put a lot of work in and I'm treading on toes, but you'll be questioning my parentage next! My point is that if this to be a GA on geology, it should NOT be possible to 'solve my problem' (huh?) simply by changing the name to 'Geography of Somerset'. The bits that concentrate on geology are fine, and far better than (say) Geology of Hampshire, which seems to from a book on botany. As to your digressions I'm a bit bemused. (1) my only contribution to Geography of Kent (on a casual visit) was to wikilink existing mentions of Greensand (a geology article to which I contributed 50% of the text and 50% of the photos since you're counting); you've lost me on Category:Geography of Kent. (2) I can't spot any edits I've made to Geography of Great Britain - did you mean Geology of Great Britain? (3) Without counting, I've probably added almost as many 'geology' sections as 'geography' sections to articles; it depends whether there is anything worth saying, and whether I have a reliable reference. I've probably added geology as part of the geography section if there is only a sentence to add. So what? (4) I'm sure you are right that I have done more edits on geographical topics (and various other random subjects) than geology (again so what?), but I don't understand what you mean by 'with the exception of Geology of Great Britain'; the few edits I have made to that article were distinctly trivial, in contrast for example to my being 100% responsible for the substantive text of London Basin and Hampshire Basin. My personal preference is for this type of 'regional' article rather than county articles, but that's just my prejudice. (5) I was not proposing that the article be renamed, so no I'm not offering to replace it. What I am suggesting is that a couple of paragraphs would probably be happier if moved to Geography of Somerset, which could be fleshed out with other stuff from Somerset itself. I'm happy to have a look at any references I have on Somerset to see if I can add anything to the existing Geology article. Pterre (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You are not treading on my toes perhaps has much as you might think, I'm just confused as to what you are seeking to do. (1) I quote from above (11:52 am) "....quite a lot of this article would be better moved to the missing ....", which seems hardly comparable with the (20:19 pm) "couple of paragraphs" mentioned above. Removing quite a lot from an article that has just gained GA status to create an non-existing article does appear to be a drastic solution to a problem that you yourself raised. I'm not a geographer nor a geologist, but I do have three degrees (1 BSc and 2 MSc ); and I'm particularly interested in landscapes, so much of the referencing that I added came from "Landscape"-type sources which I have in front of me. I also recognise a link between geography and geology. Like Rod, I have difficulty understanding why you feel the need to remove (rather than copy) material from this article to recreate an currently non-existing article on the Geography of Somerset. To try and work out what you were trying to do I looked at your contributions, e.g. Special:Contributions/Pterre, which is where the Geography of Kent came from. The Geography of Kent is shorter than the Geology of Somerset, but they appear similar in what appears on the pages. You have not yet answered Rod's question regarding what should be in a county Geography article and what should be in a county Geology article; but I have now looked at the London Basin and Hampshire Basin articles that you mention above; and I've relooked at Geology of Great Britain. If your are using you knowledge to advocate those as the type of article that Geology of Somerset should be emulating, then it appears to me that the article currently known as Geology of Somerset perhaps should be renamed as "Geography of Somerset"? You expressed a view (well a view and a question) as a "graduate in geology and geography", so treat it as an exam question if you like, "should the Geology of Somerset article be renamed Geography of Somerset - discuss?" If you don't wish to answer that question, then perhaps you could state what paragraphs you would like to remove and the type of material that could perhaps be used to fill their places? Pyrotec (talk) 21:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To cut to the chase, I would cut back on things that are merely affected by geology and therefore vary spatially (that is geography). This definitely includes the 'Main river valleys' section and probably some of the other stuff on vegetation and archaeology. There could be more on the geological structure, history etc, to which I am happy to contribute, time permitting. Please note I mentioned my education only to indicate that I am coming at this from the perspective of having studied both subjects (a surprisingly rare combination) and don't have a bias for one over the other. I'm not trying to set myself up as some sort of authority on either subject or inhibit anyone else from editing. Pterre (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the clarification and the advice. You are welcome to participate, when you have time. Unfortunately, your first short paragraph could be (was) interpreted as: (1) Problem - no article on Geography of Somerset, (2) Solution - cut text from Geology of Somerset. It was not entirely clear that you were attempting to improve the Geology of Somerset article. I'm not done geology nor geography at degree level, but I did a geography extra mural class at Glasgow University's Geology building nearly 20 years ago and I did a geology class a few months later that was not held in the Geology building; and I'm doing building stones at Cambridge next week. I've no geography references for Somerset, only landscape; but I would like to expand the "extractive industries", e.g. sandstone, limestone, clay, coal, etc, and that might fit in with your suggestion of expanding geological structure. Pyrotec (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

15 months after this discussion Geography of Somerset has now been created and I would welcome thoughts on what should be in this article & what should be moved to the new article so that each adequately covers its own area without too much overlap, although I expect that the two article will refer to each other.&mdash; Rod talk 16:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

What else is needed to get this article to FA
This article has now been a fairly stable Good Article for over a year and I am looking for ideas about what would be needed to get it to meet the Wikipedia:Featured article criteria? This is one part of the Featured topic about Physical geography of Somerset. The rules about FT's have changed and we need to get one of the GAs included in the topic up to FA status or the whole FT will be demoted to a Good topic. Any ideas appreciated.&mdash; Rod talk 21:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Reason for being unpopulated
The article currently states
 * "Because Exmoor was a royal forest, i.e. a hunting reserve, it was unpopulated in Medieval times"

However some Royal Forests were populated - see, for a local example, Royal Forest of North Petherton - so this could not have been the reason for the lack of population. 85.210.207.14 (talk) 14:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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