Talk:George Foreman/Archive 1

Keep the Ali fans out
I've deleted a few things which were thinly vieled celebrations of Ali. There was mentions of his wins over Norton and Frazier after his initial losses which don't seem relevent to the article as well as the scorecards for their fights. Also someone added that Norton broke Ali's Jaw in the 15th. Ferdie Pacheco has said it was the second round and Norton himself believes it was the 12th. Regardless it wasn't relevent to the George Foreman bio and it can't be correctly cited anyway.

"avid" autographs
How is one an "avid autograph signer"?? This seems an odd way to describe his current activities. --michael zimmer 21:26, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Names and fathers?
I quote from a post to Usenet:

"His (George Foreman's) childhood hadn't been affluent, but at least, unlike a lot of young black men, he'd grown up with both a mother and a father. Or so he thought.  Actually, he was conceived at a time when his mother and her husband had separated, and his father was a man he knew only as an acquaintance.  Until he was a teenager, he had no idea of this, he just wondered from time to time why his father seemed distant.  When he did discover the truth it turned out that everyone else had known all along: his father, the man he had thought of as his father, and even his elder siblings: the nickname they called him, which he'd never known the origin of, was a short form of his real father's last name.  He did not take this well.

So when he grew up, calmed down, married, and began to have children of his own, he wanted to spare them from any possible doubt. Which is why he demonstrated that every child was both wanted and loved, by giving each one his or her father's name."

So, under the circumstances, should the article actually say that his father was JB Foreman? DS 20:20, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Big George
????????--??????? How did he get the nickname Big George? Can someone add that to wiki please? -- (Shabbir Bokhari)  -- 11th DECEMBER

Because he's big? 67.110.59.40 (talk) 07:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

He had this nickname since childhood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.147.5 (talk) 10:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Rampant fingerprint rumour
Editors: Beware and keep a watchful eye on this fingerprint hoax. A rumour was deliberatly started on air during the 10 January 2006 edition of "Ross And Terri" broadcast on Australian Radio station Triple J. The broadcast can be downloaded here: [] and the reference is found roughly twelve and a half minutes in.

Thanks for clarifying where it all started. BabuBhatt 04:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)u he was so big and strong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.196.62.168 (talk) 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

"Pound for pound, the greatest heavyweight"
Hello,

Don't you think that this phrase in a passage of the article is contradictory? We usually put "pound for pound" expression to compare a boxer with fellows of different categories. For instance, Robinson was the greatest pound for pound boxer of history - just an example for the sake of explanation :). Thus, saying that Foreman was "pound for pound, the greatest heavyweight" is incorrect. We should rather say "pound for pound, the greatest boxer" etc...

What do you think guys? Cheers


 * I agree. Its either pound for pound the best over all weights or the best at any given wieght, so pound for pound the best heavyweight is incorrect. --LiamE 09:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

What about George Foreman latest comeback? Anyone?

Infobox Vandalism
Someone has put some inappropriate content in the infobox for George Forman, including his nationality as being "Black, yo", and his death place as being "Everywhere", etc. How does one revert to a previous edit where this information is correct? Mathteacher1729 19:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I fixed it. P.S. sorry for the grey box around my text here. I don't know why Wikipedia is doing that. Mathteacher1729 19:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed the grey box thing. Its a Wiki bug. --Eqdoktor 08:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Big George Grill
It does remove a little more fat than the normal grill because it heats up slower. What happens is the fat has more time to seep out because this grill does not sear the fat in like conventional grills. This is shown in Good Eats, Episode EA1E12, "Scrap Iron Chef". After Alton Brown makes bacon from scratch, he bakes the bacon in the oven. He places the strips of bacon onto a sheet pan fitted with a rack, then places that into a cold oven. He turns the oven to 400 degrees F, then explains if you want the bacon to be less lean, to preheat the oven instead. He explains that allowing the oven to preheat with the bacon in gives the fat more time to cook out. So the grill does cook leaner because it takes the meat longer to heat up than over a hot flame. --JRTyner 07:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Sitcom?
Didn't George Foreman also have his own short-lived television show?

Major Cleanup
I took a pass through the entire article on 6/28/07 trying to improve grammar, punctuation, and syntax -- while also eliminating bias and unsupported opinion. Will take another pass soon. --NameThatWorks 22:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to look at Boxing for Charity: 'he would like to DO some exhibition boxing for charity'

Should it not be mentioned somewhere that he has 5 daughters and 5 sons called george foreman?


 * I think it's worth mentioning. The article doesn't seem to mention much about his personal life, and I don't remember seeing any mention of his children. Lee-mei 19:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * is there anything on how his children turned out? It might be interesting to have a section about the psychological damages that come from having four other brothers named the same thing as you.

The Apprentice
The article mentions he will appear as a contestant on The Celebrity Apprentice (The Apprentice 7), yet all sources for the show say boxer Lennox Lewis will be competing, and Foreman is never mentioned. --Sakaki22 (talk) 20:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Foremancooney.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Foreman's claim that he may have been drugged during "Rumble in the Jungle"
Should this be mentioned in the section discussing the fight? see [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.208.182 (talk) 01:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

George's first book has some discussion of this issue and I will will add it to the article. The article in general has a negative bias toward Foreman's ring opponents and record. Statements of opinion regarding quality are not appropriate.

Oldest heavyweight champion
It is said in the article that Foreman became the oldest world heavyweight champion. I wonder if he's also the oldest world champion in any weight division? 124.106.203.113 (talk) 07:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Archie Moore still held some version of the lightheavyweight title when he was almost 50.WHPratt (talk) 17:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought I ought to bump this, as the article lead now suggests that Bernard Hopkins is the oldest titleholder in any weight class. Obviously -- given the Alphabet Soup title scheme -- it's debatable, but maybe that statement should be amended or softened or have a footnote added. WHPratt (talk) 12:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup Sept 2008
The early life section (and possibly others) needs review. I know the bit about the fingerprints is vandalism but the rest could also be false and I don't know enough about George Foreman to make any judgements on what stays and what goes. I am also unsure about how old the notice incorrectly placed at the top of the talk page is, but there are claims that the grill reduces fat. This means that it can be included in the article even if the company that makes the grills doesn't provide any evidence, it just can't be listed as proven. - 67.166.132.47 (talk) 21:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Bang
GEORGE Foreman beat Muhammad Ali for the Heavyweight championship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.139.36.250 (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Did George Foreman play in the movie Walking Tall with The Rock/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.108.8 (talk) 00:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

No, he did not appear in Walking Tall with The Rock. At least, I don't recall seeing him in that movie. To be certain, visit imbd.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicaphilliac (talk • contribs) 01:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

FIGHT IN CHIBA JAPAN
IT LEADS TO A LIST THAT LISTS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS IT CAN REFER TO.. WELL LINK DIRECTLY TO WHAT ITS REFERRING TO.. DAMN.. DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW? DONT FEEL LIKE PLAYING 'GUESS WHAT IS BEHIND THIS REFERENCE' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.100.173 (talk) 07:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Obama Brother —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.67.75.215 (talk) 23:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Knockout Cleaning Solutions mention?
Nowhere does the article mention a cleaning solution; which comes in all sorts of application uses, automotive (wheels, rims, tires, windshields, bug remover, windshield cleaner, polisher), as well as all-purpose cleaners for use throughout the home. Was just curious, is the product just too new? I was amazed when I saw it at a Family Dollar store yesterday, when I looked it up, it appears they primarily sell it through "Dollar General" stores though.....but Family Dollar could have gotten it through other distribution means, since they are a discount store. Just thought I'd mention it. I was kind of hesitant on using it, due to the use of 2-butoxy ethanol in most other "concentrated, natural, cleaning products" - but couldn't find a thorough MSDS for these products which would indicate whether or not this chemical is used in it or not. But that's for another article anyways. --72.188.76.225 (talk) 17:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Conflict with Rumble in the Jungle
The main article doesn't mention that George stumbled and wasn't knocked down, and this one doesn't have any citation for that. This one says that the neck-press should have been penalized, but this also isn't cited or mentioned in the main article. I'm not saying that these items should be removed, but that they should be cited and added to the main article if true.

In general, this version is more slanted towards Foreman's POV, so this should also be addressed. --Slashme (talk) 16:02, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, I know that Ali's hanging on the head was monitored strictly in his third fight with Frazier, but the solution was merely for the referee to pull his hands off if it lasted more than a moment and didn't involve a penalty.74.111.119.180 (talk) 04:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Six sons named George, or only five?
Foreman has 11 children, and each of his six sons is named George: George Jr., George III, George IV, George V, Keenen and George VI.


 * How is the one named Keenen also "named George"? Am I missing something?  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  00:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is a major target of vandalism, some of which is more sneaky than usual. Nothing more complicated than that. Foxyshadis (talk) 08:04, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I reallly enjoy commenting by the way — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.174.97 (talk) 03:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

he fought with another Jimmy Ellis
In 1991 fight, Jimmy Ellis from Idaho, born 1964. 178.36.8.172 (talk) 01:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Weather Conditions
I think the heat and humidity played a big part in the Rumble in the Jungle. It allowed the Rope a Dope to be successful. Combined with the stamina issues which Foreman seemed to be suffering, it meant that whoever expended the less energy would prevail in the later rounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.201.123 (talk) 14:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)