Talk:George Hotz

COI template
I have added the COI template because I am concerned that the article creator has an interest in the article that should be considered due to his or her status as a student at the same academy the subject attended. Erechtheus 00:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me
I don't see a bias in the article....Good to go. Snotrockets13 08:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good enough to me, but could always be improved. --Duncan 14:00, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks ok to me as well. He obiously did hack the iphone, mainstream media (CNN etc.) are reporting that. DejanR 27 August 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dejanr (talk • contribs) 00:52, August 27, 2007 (UTC)


 * I replaced lpahome.com through the Internet archive. The other (yiphone.org), unfortunately, is not in the archive. Thanks for the suggestion. Dr.K. (talk) 00:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Not Encyclopedic Article
The article does not resemble an encyclopedic entry —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Sensationalism
This article is recent news (ie old news) rather than significant knowledge for an encyclopedia. The knowledge used for the hack would be more relevant to wikipedia. 194.112.32.101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.112.32.101 (talk) 22:04, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
Please do not remove a deletion request, before the seven days are over

--91.55.77.45 (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't work this way. The template states clearly:

"You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to deletion for any reason."
 * I objected to the deletion because it was proposed in the past that it be deleted and the consensus was keep. See also here: Articles for deletion/George Hotz. Dr.K. logos 18:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is also stated at the top of the page just above the table of contents:

"This article was nominated for deletion on 2008-02-01. The result of the discussion was keep." Dr.K. logos 19:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This was a new nomination, so please do not remove the template! --91.55.112.178 (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you read my answer above you would know that according to the rules of Wikipedia I can remove the template if I disagreed with it. I do disagree with the template and therefore I removed it. Please read WP:PROD for more information. Dr.K. logos 14:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete this article
It is of no value whatsoever. Recent news now equals old news tomorrow. Now if we were to make an article for every hacker out there.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.113.126.219 (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

He's definitely a significant hacker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.85.93 (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree, delete this. This kid doesn't deserve any recognition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.65.80.183 (talk) 10:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Please note that this article was formerly nominated for deletion and the community consensus was to keep it. If you have a new rationale for proposing deletion then please consider the reasons already reviewed, check Deletion policy for guidance, and state your new reasons.  Blue Rasberry  02:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Balloon Contest
Should anything about the "Balloon Contest" be added? Salaxoraxas (talk) 23:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

PS3 section and lead
Did some work in the article. Discuss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.141.228 (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Are You Kidding Me ? :-L

wikipedia ?? :)) SPAMpeda is better ...

There is no Acceptable References —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newvgac12 (talk • contribs) 13:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Added cleaup tag
This article contains too many weasel words and doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards so I added a cleanup tag. Niazac (talk) 23:57, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Asian??
Who added him to the people of asian descent? Remove it. He's Jewish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.135.68 (talk) 11:14, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Granted he's not asian, but Jewish is a religion, Asian refers to a person from asia. You can be an asian jew, just like you can be a muslim American or a somalian buddhist. It just makes you sound ignorant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.85.93 (talk) 10:17, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

In fact, since Israel is situated on the Asian continent, you can technically say that according to their religion, all Jews are from Asia, since they all come from Israel. (Of course, that's not what people normally refer to as Asian, but...) Ratfox (talk) 20:04, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's stick to the sources. If someone has a source then show it here and we can talk about it.  Blue Rasberry  01:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * George Hotz is not Jewish or Asian. Fairly extensive family tree here. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 18:14, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Format
I've added the cleanup tag because the format of this article is atrocious. It reads like a diary, not like an encyclopedia article. Rossami (talk) 19:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

This Article is a Fucking Mess
With ALL the information available on George Hotz, it's completely ridiculous that this article is in such bad shape.

There is absolutely none of his history here, no accurate account of the creation of the iphone hack, and very few sources cited for the little inaccurate information that is posted.

George Hotz did NOT single-handedly develop the iphone hack OR the PS3 hack.

And there should at the very LEAST be a weak attempt at a biography.

I admire the work that he's done (though I don't like him enough to write his biography without getting paid for it).

But I'm sure SOMEBODY out there must care enough to update this page. Either the man himself or some delusional teenage girl.

...or where the hell are the World of Warcraft people when you need them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.8.116.80 (talk • contribs) February 23, 2011
 * Wikipedia is a community effort. If you feel like doing so then be bold and make the changes to the article as you see fit.
 * Thanks for suggesting work for other people to do, but the more help you give the easier it makes it for other people to get involved. If you know of lots of good sources for geohot history or a great account of the iphone hack from a reliable source which meets Wikipedia standards, then please share it on this board if you cannot integrate the info into the article yourself.   Blue Rasberry  13:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * While I do not agree with the colorful title's use, I agree. I have done just that an Been bold and removed all links to locked / deleted blogs, websites that could have been fraudulently been registered in the name of George Hotz as well as references to blogs (specifically those on blogspot related to this article) that are private, non-existant or deleted, removed references to tweets that have been deleted, removed or did not exist at all and colorfully decorated the page with where the claims should be cited. Only in cases of Expert opinion should any claim, article or reference be added to the page. I remember there being a WP rule that deals with adding in too many requests for citations, however, the amount of prose in this article that could be deemed fiction is contested. I have noted that a WP:PERSON should be written like a biography and only those references that can be proven, unless the claims are WP:VERIFIABLE should those claims remain. While I also remain a fan of Sony and Apple, I have the ability to see a neutral point of view as an WP:EXPERT on other subjects that I have worked on throughout my career as well as the ability to see past my own personal mistakes. Therefore, I would not want something personally attributed to me that was not true so those things applicable to George Hotz in this situation have been contested in light of the recent media attention that has been directed at him due to the recent PlayStation Network outage. While I see it as unlikely that a 17 year old child could achieve even half of this without any outside 1st person intervention, training, assistance or learning, it is possible that some, if not all, of the speculations, personal attributions (if any), reservations or titles, could be accurate. If they are, then so be it. Cite them. If not, at a later, undetermined date, I will summarize this entire article to what is only WP:VERIFIABLE Mnemnoch (talk) 02:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:BIO for further attributions as to my above statement. Mnemnoch (talk) 02:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

South America Mix up
I have removed the listing of George Hotz as having fled the country to South America as there is no proof in anyway that this has actually happened. His offical website (http://geohotgotsued.blogspot.com/2011/03/fearmongering.html) has proved that he is just on vacation. Speculation should not be listed on articles. Thanks, --Darkskynet (talk) 00:21, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Inaccuracies in Sony Lawsuit Section
"Sony hit him with a lawsuit and demanded social media sites, including YouTube to hand over IP addresses of people who visited Geohot's social pages/videos"

That's not exactly correct and leaves out a lot of important information. It doesn't mention that the court order for the Youtube information ONLY applies to the users that watched his video after he made it private. See the excerpt below:

"This subpoena seeks to discover information regarding all persons who currently have access to a “private video” uploaded by Mr. Hotz demonstrating his use of the circumvention devices on the PS3 System, and those who posted comments in response to the video."

So, it only applies to those who watched the instructional video after it was made PRIVATE. It does not apply to ALL his videos as implied, so if you watched his rap video, you're clear.99.231.120.164 (talk) 22:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. The lawsuit will be researched as well as any references to claims citing the accuracy of that information. Mnemnoch (talk) 02:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Fixeeg, 20 July 2011
Glen Rock is in New Jersey (correctly linked on this page) but the article gives "Glen Rock, California" which is incorrect.

Fixeeg (talk) 05:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 06:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Cantaloupe2 edits
The user Cantaloupe2 seems to vandalize this article. First he changed unlocking to jailbreaking (he seems to have no idea what it is), changed one link into a broken one, removed my addition and a lot of other stuff. I undid that edit and now he made similar changes. I don't want an edit war, so I'll leave it up to you. My addition was that Hotz yesterday won in the pwn2own competition $70'000 - look at all the news everywhere (mainly Vupen is mentioned in the news, because they won more money). This is one of the major hacking contests for white hats, so it does belong into the article. No idea why you allow this to get removed by someone who has no knowledge on the subject. --213.55.184.204 (talk) 13:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comments concerning Cantaloupe2's behaviour are welcome here where a discussion from other editors has been taking place. 174.118.142.187 (talk) 02:22, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I feel that the edits I made in this page were justified. Please express your content or editorial concerns regarding this article here if you have any. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 20:01, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Cantaloupe2 appears to have a bias against the subject of this article, he redid a deletion mentioned in the talk page here.

--128.237.217.167 (talk) 00:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Nobody is denying that he did. The issue on hand here is that there's a balance issue when events that primarily promote the subject is added. Adding something just happened is something I did at one point, however, Wikipedia is not for publishing recent event so I was told over at Pi Kappa Alpha page in regard to adding butt chugging. I believe that "something that just happened yesterday" would fall under the same. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 19:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Suspicious edits following this evident self-promotional edit is obvious. A rush of IP editors with nothing but edits that are related to George Hotz. this edit shows first edit as undoing my contribution with no explanation and the IP belongs to Carnegie Mellon University where Hotz is attending and there is no edit under that IP that does not relate to Hotz. Suspicious? I think so. If it looks and quacks like a Duck, it probably is, per Wikipedia standard. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 00:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Clear COI
Also, the subject is evidently involved in promoting himself, as you can see from an edit by Hotz183 adding positive things about, well Hotz, in addition to IP edits with no edits unrelated to Hotz coming by only to make edits on things related to him. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 19:18, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Photo
Adam Lanza stare is stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutonium57 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Business Week - 12/21/2015 on Hotz
Pages 52-57 - Recaps much of the information in this article. Could/should be cited Frankatca (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 04:03, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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Personal life
The information of his personal life is unnecessary and meaningless. The facts only lead to speculation about matters irrelevant to his role as a hacker. I feel this part of the entry is more an invasion of privacy than useful information. I would recommend its removal MarcusHawksley (talk) 16:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me - looks like those charges were dropped, too? Doesn't seem fair to include. I don't have history editing this page, though, so take my input for what it is - I'll defer to other, more passionate users! Nickgray (talk) 18:00, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Should there be an article for Tinycorp?
I came to wikipedia looking for the article on George Hotz's company "TinyCorp" and was surprised that it doesn't exist.

Tinycorp is referenced a few times in the George Hotz article, but is not linked to Tinycorp.

I'm going to create the redlinks, and try to start the Tinycorp article using the following content found here: https://geohot.github.io/blog/jekyll/update/2023/05/24/the-tiny-corp-raised-5M.html

What is the tiny corp?

The tiny corp is a computer company. We sell computers for more than they cost to make; I’ve been thinking about this one for a while. In the limit, it’s a chip company, but there’s a lot of intermediates along the way.

The human brain has about 20 PFLOPS of compute. I’ve written various blog posts about this. Sadly, 20 PFLOPS of compute is not accessible to most people, costing about $1M to buy or $100/hr to rent.

With the way AI is going, we risk large entities controlling the majority of the compute in the world. I do not want “I think there’s a world market for maybe five computers.” to ever be the world we live in.

The goal of the tiny corp is: “to commoditize the petaflop” Revansx (talk) 21:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)