Talk:George Jones (RAAF officer)

UFO enthusiast
Good article. One thing though: Jones was a prominent UFO enthusiast, see Australian ufology and Air Marshall Sir George Jones and the UFO. I think this should be mentioned(?) Grant  |  Talk  14:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, fair enough, I remember seeing a couple of mentions of him in connection with UFOs on the web - especially that quote about being "loath to talk about it publicly lest people should think I was either an incompetent witness or getting a little screwy in the head". I'll work it in sometime soon. Thanks/cheers, Ian Rose 15:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

CB
I was aware that my initial wording wasn't the best, but I was trying to make it seem less "tacked on" to the end of the para, and make it flow more ligically from teh preceding sentences. Perhaps "Regardless of this..." would do, or perhaps any such qualification is unecessary. I'm slightly curious as to why you felt it necessary to avoid the re-direct on King's Birthday Honours, but left the one on Companion of the Bath alone? Particularly since there will probably be a reasonable case for moving Queen's Birthday Honours to King's Birthday Honours on the (eventual) death of the current monarch, at which point the redirect will then run the other way. David Underdown (talk) 12:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Mate, I see your point about it possibly looking a bit tacked on without something to make it flow from what went before, I knew that's what you were doing. I was thinking of just rewording slightly to say "Despite this issue..." but when I tried it without any preliminary, it didn't look too bad to me. It's not a huge deal, perhaps I'm being too careful... As for redirects, again you're right - the Order of the Bath link was an oversight, and for the Birthday Honours perhaps pragmatism is the way to go in future... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries (sorry, a year or so sitting next to a Queenslander when I first started work), I don't know if you're aware of WP:R2D, I went through a phase of piping redirected links, but now I normally follow the directions given there. If you don't think the bald mention of the CB is too bad, I'm happy to leave it at that.  David Underdown (talk) 15:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

To hyphenate or not to hyphenate?
In the RAF the correct spelling for 2 star rank is "air vice-marshal" although "air vice marshal" is sometimes seen. What is the correct rendering in the RAAF? Greenshed (talk) 08:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Pretty much the same, actually, though it wasn't so obvious when this was first written five or six years ago -- tweaked accordingly, tks. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Director of Training
Who followed Jones as Director of Training in 1942? According to Douglas Gillison in the Royal Australian Air Force, 1939-1942 (page 142) Air Commodore F N Wright was RAAF Director of Training from 1943. It would be good to complete the following succession box:



Thanks. Greenshed (talk) 12:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice yes, but I have to admit it's not that high a priority to me. I'm a little dubious about succession boxes in general unless there are reliable sources actually listing the incumbents of a position. I'm aware of such lists for CAS/CAF, squadron COs, Air Members for Personnel, etc, but I don't know of one for this position. Trying to piece succession together from disparate sources, which might only mention the year someone began and ended their tenure, runs the risk of missing out incumbents who served a short time (less than a calendar year, at any rate) in a role. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:06, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that it is safe to say that I am rather keener on succession boxes than you are - partly because when I have been researching other historical topics for off-wiki purposes the succession boxes can be a very useful quick reference to who was doing what at one point. I also would observe that this article is on the Front Page (congratulations) and so filling in the succession details for Jones's second most senior appointment, held during a world war, seems like a rather higher priority than many other succession questions.  I do take your point about running the risk of missing out incumbents and of course having the month or better still the day is a considerable help.  Another trick I have used is that a crafted search can be made once the likely two parties to a handover are known as often some note is published in a specialist periodical which actually mentions the handover. Greenshed (talk) 13:36, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * For example, here is the reference that Jones replaced Scherger: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/40860490 Greenshed (talk) 18:23, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, fair point, I have found Trove a very useful source for handovers as well. I generally make a search there as part of my article work these days -- it just wasn't around (or I didn't know about it) when I first put this particular article together in 2007 (I have added information from various sources to this article since then but not Trove, since it was fairly well detailed anyway). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:11, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Possibly succeeded by Frederick Scherger although given that Scherger was getting shuffled through a series of appointments there may have been someone else who briefly served as Director of Training in between Jones and Scherger. Greenshed (talk) 23:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * See Australia in the War of 1939-1945, Australian War Memorial, 1963, p. 460 footnotes. Greenshed (talk) 23:43, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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URFA/2020 check
IAW WP:URFA/2020 I checked this older FA, did a very light c/e, and found it in entirely satisfactory condition for a FA. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I made some minor adjustments; feel free to revert anything I mess up. I find it odd that we don't have an article on aviation kills ... that is a jargon term understood to military and aviation personnel, but not necessarily everyone else, and it seems like an article could be justified, as it could then explain how a kill is documented, when there is controversy about number of kills. I checked Ace (military) and see we don't really get into it there either.   That search also led me to Flying ace, where I got a MOS:SANDWICH headache.  Anyway, just wondering you all think a definition of a "kill" might be written somewhere on Wikipedia. (No need to get back to me, unwatching, marking Satisfactory.)  Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  20:05, 13 December 2020 (UTC)