Talk:George Martin

James Bond: From Russia...
I'm pretty sure George Martin produced Matt Munro's version of From Russia With Love. However, I'm not sure who produced the version in the opening credits as it's just the instrumental version of the song - Munro's vocal version isn't until the credits and I'm unsure if it was the single from the soundtrack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.57.146 (talk) 15:32, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Selected non-Beatles hit records produced or co-produced by George Martin
A bit confusing this, as the dates given for these hits are sometimes UK, sometimes US. For "how do you do it", which was a #1 in the UK, the American date and highest spot reached are given. However, I don't intend to do the necessary tidying up myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.32.224 (talk) 14:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I've edited the section to reflect the UK number one placement of "How Do You Do It" and "Bad To Me", but I haven't checked the remaining entries to make sure that they give the highest chart placement. Given that Martin was a British producer, I think the list should give the UK chart placement of each song by default, with US chart placements given only if they were higher than those in the UK, and of course US chart placements should be indicated as such. Sonitus (talk) 05:45, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Honorofics?
On this page http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Martin.htm the intials "Kt." preced the initials "C.B.E.". Why is "Kt." absent from George Martin's Wikipedia page? As a Knight Bachelor (a Knight who is not a Knight in an Order of Chivalry (or is it "Order of Knighthood"), Martin is referred to as "Sir". His being a C.B.E. (rank of Commander, in the Order of the British Empire) would not result in his being referred to as "Sir" because "Commander" is not a high enough rank in the Order of the British Empire to be a Knight. Hence without the "Kt." and only the "C.B.E." there the "Sir" is a bit of a head-scratcher, no? I am making the parallel edit to Paul McCartney's talk-page where the only difference is that McCartney, as a MEMBER of the British Empire, is even lower-ranked than Martin and likewise would not be a "Sir" if he were not also a Knight Bachelor affiliated with no Order.76.8.67.2 (talk) 23:43, 26 May 2012 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
 * See my reply at Talk:Paul McCartney. Evanh2008 (talk) (contribs) 05:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Kt" is almost never used as a postnom except in the most formal usage. For a Knight Bachelor, the pretitle "Sir" usually appears alone. The College of Arms is not actually in error, since in recording his arms it is using the most formal version of Martin's name, but it would not be usual usage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Beatles RfC
You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles on the issue of capitalising the definite article when mentioning that band's name in running prose. This long-standing dispute is the subject of an open mediation case and we are requesting your help with determining the current community consensus. Thank you for your time. For the mediators. ~ GabeMc  (talk 23:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Ron Richards and John Burgess at AIR Studios
The Ron Richards article states "In August 1965, Richards joined Martin in leaving EMI to start AIR Studios", but there is no mention of Ron Richards in the Associated Independent Recording (AIR) article. Assuming Ron Richards did join AIR Studios, did he start AIR Studios with George Martin and John Burgess? In addition, the George Martin article doesn't mention John Burgess, was Burgess a business partner, or a fellow record producer? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Marriages
His two marriages are mentioned in the article but is it not standard practice to mention this and his children in the mini bio that appears beneath the picture? Adagio67 (talk) 16:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

The Art of Noise
Came here from Wikiproject: Orphanage. Is it possible to mention Martin's work on The Art of Noise (radio show) here? There is a section for his TV work, but I didn't see a place for his radio work. PaintedCarpet (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Lewisohn's biography puts the Beatles signing into a slightly different light
I'm currently reading Mark Lewisohn's biography of the Beatles and that puts George Martin's decision to sign the band into a different light; according to Lewisohn, there were two events that led to the signing: EMI publishers had heard that some of the Beatles songs were unpublished and wanted to get the publishing rights for them (mainly, ISTR, Love of the Loved). Secondly, senior EMI managers had recently found out that Martin was having an affair with his secretary - in 1962 this might have been a sacking offence. George Martin wasn't that impressed with the Decca recording, but EMI management essentially used the knowledge of the affair to pressure him to sign the band to get hold of the unpublished songs - which, of course, they actually lost to Northern Songs. I'm going through the extended edition of the book now, unless someone beats me to it, I'll try and come up with a section that presents the Lewisohn information - perhaps calling it something like (Other factors in the Beatles' signing). Apepper (talk) 18:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Big Train
What's the issue with the Big Train sketch? It is documented in multiple reliable sources as mocking public image towards Martin, rather than the man himself. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree with the removal of this trivia. Per WP:IINFO, we do not have to include every snippet of information simply because it's reported in a reliable source.  If material is trivial, and gives no additional understanding of the subject of the article, it should be removed.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:19, 9 March 2016 (UTC)


 * This one was mentioned in multiple reliable sources years after the sketch, particularly this Time Out source which mentions it in the context of The Beatles directly. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:55, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Kevin Eldon
In the current version we go from Martin as the fifth Beatle (no chronology issue), then to Kevin Eldon in recent times, and then to comments by John Lennon about George Martin back in 1970. The mention of Eldon in this location does not have any logic.

Additionally, this article on George Martin will be read by the widest possible spread of English speakers throughout the world. It is unclear if Eldon has any significant following outside the UK, and his inclusion may possibly be a distraction for most users. It is not only a case of the passage's location, but its relevance. For this reason, I removed the passage. As noted in the "Big Train" section above, the existence of a reliable source does not mean we automatically have to make use of the content. Philip Cross (talk) 09:31, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Artist test vs commercial test
The section about the distinction between different types of audition - artist test vs commercial test - seems to have a bit too much detail and is not specifically relevant to the life/career of George Martin (and I notice has also been added to articles about other Beatle-related persons, e.g. Pete Best). What do others think? MFlet1 (talk) 11:50, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 5 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Clear consensus to not move this.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  04:29, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

– The record producer by this name may well have been the "fifth Beatle" by some estimations, but he wasn't a Beatle; he may be the most notable "George Martin" (George R. R. Martin might challenge him for that title now), but with nearly thirty people in the encyclopedia with that name, including athletes, actors, politicians, etc., it seems implausible that there is a primary topic for this very common name. bd2412 T 20:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * George Martin → George Martin (record producer)
 * George Martin (disambiguation) → George Martin
 * Note: 90 day pageview comparison of "George Martin" and "George R. R. Martin" - |George_R._R._Martin note how the spikes in interest for "George R. R. Martin" are shaped like the back of a dragon. So far as I can see from a quick and fairly random sweep, other holders of the name get lower levels of pageviews. bd2412  T 20:50, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment George R. R. Martin is not a famous George Martin. He is a famous George R. R. Martin. DuncanHill (talk) 21:06, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose, at least for now. My own thoughts echo DuncanHill's. Is there any indication that users are searching on "George Martin" when they're looking for "George R. R. Martin"? I know that for me, those "R.R." initials always stand out, and he's not commonly referred to as "George Martin". Of the entities who might be referred to as "George Martin", the record producer is the primary topic. TJRC (talk) 21:30, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The argument "it's a common name" seems untenable when you consider pages means primary topic status for common names is never going to be set in stone. He is by far the most notable George Martin (no one even comes close to challenging that many common names have primary topics and the nature of people having Wikipedia his pageviews & significance), so I suppose the argument rests on if you consider George R. R. Martin "George Martin". I personally wouldn't; if I do a google search for "George Martin" (quotes included to limit the search) I only get results for the Beatles producer. GRRM is much more well known with his prominent inititals. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:15, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose, have to oppose this one, mainly for WP:ILIKEIT (he's the fifth Beatle! Aside from Pete Best, who should also have statues and holidays). And per the comments above, the R.R. seems a consistent and familiar part of G.R.R.M.'s common name. But support attention to BD2412's discovery of the dragon-in-the-details. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:33, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. The George Martin (disambiguation) page list 29 names --- far too many for one holder of this common name to maintain a claim to greater prominence and notability than the other 28 combined. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:07, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. He is still famous enough to merit direct access to a WP search. I believe most people who will type in this name are indeed looking for Sir George, not a cricket player...As for GRRM, most will type the two Rs Poirier2000 (talk) 23:39, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Still looks like the primary topic. Among the people widely known simply as George Martin, all are quite obscure except the admiral and the comedian. &mdash;innotata 09:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


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Your First Number One
My Beatle library, which dates from 1962, tells me that Martin actually telephoned the pub where The Beatles were having a pint after the recording session, to tell them that in his opinion 'Please, Please Me' was Number One material.

McCartney makes clear in the long interview that commences Lewissohn's book about Beatle recording sessions, that they were forbidden to set foot in the engineering booth, and had no say in their early mix-downs. So Martin could not have addressed them 'over the console' that night. Martin was a producer, not a technician. He supervised, he didn't twiddle faders or splice tapes. He had people for that.

I have reservations about Some of Spitz's work ... not a reliable source, IMNSHO. 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:C8B5:22D9:7625:9289 (talk) 09:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Lewisohn and the Beatles' signing to EMI
As has been noted years earlier on this talk page, the All These Years: Tune In book by Mark Lewisohn casts strong doubt on the conventional narrative of the Beatles' signing to EMI, and George Martin's role in it. I am going to be BOLD and substantially alter the text of the article covering this, relying on Lewisohn's work. Though it is appropriate to explain George's own account of these years, Lewisohn is nearly universally regarded among Beatle experts as an authoritative source. In my view his work deserves considerable weight here, enough that it should be presented as the orthodox historical view. (See Erin Torkelson Weber's The Beatles and the Historians for a professional historiographer's analysis of why Lewisohn's work is a vast improvement in scholastic methodology over earlier works.)

As always, feel free to revert and discuss as necessary. -- Jprg1966 (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Musician
Honorary Doctorate in Music by Berklee College of Music in Boston, Massachusetts. Honorary degree, Doctor of Music, from the University of Oxford. Honorary Doctorate in Music by Leeds Beckett University. George Martin was also a MUSICIAN. It must be written. Only a MUSICIAN can do such arrangements. Ciao. Simoneschiaffino (talk) 10:41, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism
There has been recent vandalism on George Martin's wikipedia page. Is it possible at all to lock the page? Or is this too extreme? Penguinmeadow (talk) 07:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Date of British Empire honor?
The first paragraph says "CBE". The article gives the date that he was made a Knight Bachelor. What is the reason Wikipedia will not tell us when he got the C.B.E.? Was there not enough space after telling us of the all-important "James Joyce Award by the Literary and Historical Society of University College Dublin"? I've searched for every occurrence of "BE", "B.E.", and "Empire". It's just not here.2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 06:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson