Talk:George Toogood Smith/GA1

GA review 1
I have looked everywhere for one, but my search turned up nothing (not even in the books).--andreasegde (talk) 17:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC) That has gone.--andreasegde (talk) 20:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC) Gone, but I thought it was important to say that it was the Smith family farm. --andreasegde (talk) 20:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC) Smith was the first one to give Lennon a musical instrument - which was a harmonica, and is definitely mentioned in the text.--andreasegde (talk) 17:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC) Also gone.--andreasegde (talk) 20:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC) So... gone.--andreasegde (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC) That has also gone, but I think that ancestry.com is not so bad as a reference, especially as it got the information correct about the gravestone and the family, which another page qualifies. What other "iffy" ones are there?--andreasegde (talk) 20:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there no image for the infobox? A nonfree one could be rationalised...
 * "Smith is recognised for...the impact Smith's death had on him." - when quoted like that it definitely sounds awkward! Needs some rewording
 * "Smith was tall and stocky, and operated the Smith family's dairy" - again sounds awkward with repetition...
 * "Hohner Super Chromonica, a typical 12-hole chromatic harmonica, sometimes called a mouth organ" - (image) - what's this got to do with the text?
 * "Lennon would later meet Paul McCartney at the back of St. Peter's Church, and it is where a certain "Eleanor Rigby" is also buried.[25]" - this isn't really relevant to this article is it...?
 * "as Lennon had asked for it.[30][31] In Lennon's last" - repetition is a bit rough here.
 * Is ref 20 a reliable sources? (a few other iffy ones too...)

Small comment: That picture of John Lennon does not add significantly to the article per WP:NFCC #8. I don't see how a pic of Lennon around the time of Smith's death justifies fair-use. Review WP:DASH--I see 1899-1918, among other mistakes.Mendips or Mendips? Be consistent. indopug (talk) 05:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought a photo of Lennon in short trousers around the time of Smith's death (Lennon was 14 years old) was interesting for the article. It's gone.--andreasegde (talk) 09:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There's not one full-name & linked John Lennon in the prose of the article! Also, plenty of ambiguous Smiths and Lennons (like that section name) float about. After the lead, try to mention each person by full name the first time we encounter them.

--andreasegde (talk) 20:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes there is; read the Lead: "George Toogood Smith (1903—5 June 1955) was the maternal uncle, through marriage, of John Lennon".
 * Smith is George (Smith) and Lennon is (John) Lennon throughout the article.
 * Any other Smith is mentioned with their first name.
 * The title is "George Smith (John Lennon)".


 * (ec) "by prose of the article", I meant after the lead. That section header is especially confusing since it comes after a discussion on Julia Lennon. Mentioning "George" in the first occurrence of his name in Early years would be nice too, because of potential ambiguity. "The youngest sister of the Stanley family, Julia Lennon, got married to Alfred Lennon six months before, on 3 December 1938." is very abrupt in relation to what is being talked about before it. Further, it might be better to introduce her as Julia Stanley, since we talk of her marriage. Reminder: the DASH issues are still lurking about. indopug (talk) 20:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

'''Are there two reviewers on this? Please explain'''. --andreasegde (talk) 21:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Why? Is there a problem? indopug (talk) 21:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know to whom I am talking, that's all. Tildes would be nice, because having two reviewers is a bit confusing...--andreasegde (talk) 21:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I also thought "There's not one full-name & linked John Lennon in the prose of the article!" was not dihydrogen monoxide's style, and it threw me, because it wasn't true. (Anything linked in the Lead should not be further linked in the article). :)--andreasegde (talk) 22:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, i forgot to sign that, sorry :) I don't think its a hard-and-fast rule; just preference I guess. indopug (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Without wishing to make you feel bad in any way at all, I think it is a "hard-and-fast rule". I have had so many problems with this that I have to check every fifteen seconds (I open two pages at once). I wish my computer/Wikipedia could remember who I am, but it's only a Pentium 4. :))--andreasegde (talk) 22:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I think everything is sorted here and so am passing. Sorry about the tech issues, this process is still being fine tuned. And glad to know I have a style! :) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you have a style.--andreasegde (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)