Talk:Georges Yatridès

12 September 2013
You don't answer my precedent message 2 September 2013 (UTC). I request you consider seriously this last request:

The listing in the site corroborates the accuracy of my biography changed without justification June 06 2013, 14:30 by moderators who preceded you and who have not examined the subject in depth. You accepted their unjustified action.

So I request that my biography of June 06 2013 at 14:30 is returned validated by these new readable and visible scanned references. This biography is intrinsically very concise and incomplete from the fact of the amount and importance of references that you can check

Some specific points to highlight you the accuracy of these references :

My work was "Great master guest of honor" or "Main master guest" at the International Biennials  - And "Guest of honor" in the different Salons.

Several dictionaries have my biography in first place ahead of high-profile artist names which are Pierre Eugene Frederic Bonnard,1867-1947 - André Lhote Bordeaux 1885-1962 - Johan Barthold Jongking born in Lattrop Netherlands precursor of Impressionism 1819, died in France in Grenoble St Egrève in 1891 buried in Cote-saint-andre (Dauphine). Guide Mayer, Edition Bénézit Dictionnaire des peintres Fiscal GY Biography Who's Who in International Art Who's Who in International Art

Fiscal Appraisal V.A.S.F.E. (France) Detailed Verification of the Overall Fiscal Position) Returns submitted : 1977, 1978, 1979,1980 and 1981-1985. Analysis and evaluation concerning the value of Georges Yatrides' work.

REPORT (Extracts)

31. "He draws  his  inspiration  from  a  very  wide  culture  that  encompasses  the adventure of  mankind  from  the  most  ancient  archeology  to  the  most  advanced  Sciences". "His very technique unites the lessons of the great masters of the Renaissance with discoveries in molecular chemistry, in which he himself was involved through his research at the C.E.A - C.E.N.G. (AEC: French Atomic Energy Commission)(cf.§ 22)".

CONCLUSION :

"Georges Yatridès' work  is  in  the  tradition  of  the  greatest  masters.  In  terms  of  quality,  his  position  is  at  the  top -  in  those  of  the  message  proclaimed,   in  the  vanguard  of  the  pictorial  creation  of  our  era".

Jean-Claude CAVAILLE Inspector General

Internal Revenue - Tax Authority

French Government "Detailed official biography" (extracts) Site 1 - yatrides.com

Direction in Fiscal Appraisal : "Fiscal evaluation of his work" (extracts) Site 2 - yatrides.org V.A.S.F.E. 1977/1981- 1981/1985 (detailed Verifications of the Overall Fiscal Position)

Rider 49 (1945-1994) - Rider 62 (1995-2008) Additional clauses

Inspection de l'Administration Fiscale

V.A.S.F.E. 1977/1981-1981/1985

Vérifications Approfondies de la Situation Fiscale d'Ensemble

Direction Générale des Impôts



Numerous prices have reached considerable amounts, transactions between collectors when I was sold these paintings at modest prices.     

Some collectors listed by the British Chamber of Commerce buyers of my works, notably Lady Hay and John Foster Dulles

I ask, I formally requires my biography from 06 June 2013, 14:30 before it was manipulated, is back online with new scanned references. It is very concise and modest compared to all these materialized / references scannedthemselves not exhaustive. In order not to aggravate a situation that is detrimental to modest Private Collecors and to me, I ask you to act quickly. No response from you within eight (8) days (deadline September 21, 2013), I will act in any legal normality, firstly to render a compelling irrefutable official biography that I ask you not to allow handling. Secondly, I ask that other artists is required of them the same references, and not the media indulgence that has brought to light. As you know, despite strong health, I am 82 years old and my time is valuable. Thank you very much.

Georges Yatrides September 12, 2013

Important note: To end it once please consider that yatrides.com and yatrides.org consist exclusively of elements appearing in "Authentic Yatrides", noting that in this latter site "Authentic Yatrides" there are many more references not mentioned in the two sites "Yatrides"

--Yatrides (talk) 16:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Archiving
I have uncollapsed the page in preparation for archiving. Please leave it as it is and when the archiving bot gets to it, all posts older than 31 days will be archived. Yworo (talk) 22:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Patent nonsense
Are any editors aware of reliable sources commenting on the colossal self-aggrandizement implicit in the subject's claims (if it is indeed the subject -- see below) that (a) he is the true creator of the monolith motif employed by Kubrick and Clarke in 2001 and (b) that the subject's patent on a cigarette-making device  is actually a disguised expression of "fundamental research accomplished at CEA (AEC- French government Atomic Energy Commission) ... my theory on new properties of light from solid body incandescence and its influence on hydrocarbon materials ... recalling here that the human race is hydrocarbon-like all mammals and that our Sun is variable thermonuclear incandescence like other stars. ... non interdependence of light, space and time, thus detected" -- the patent[s] "appearing far away from the [true] subject, but being connected to it if I provided the bond which is not a simple link"?

These statements were made by someone claiming to be either the subject or someone acting on behalf of the subject -- see -- though of course it could instead be (and in my personal opinion, is more likely to be) someone attempting to embarrass the subject by spouting unintelligible nonsense in the subject's name.

I also wonder if there are sources commenting on the psychoanalytic implications of repeated crass references by an artist to the monetary value and sale prices of his own works (though bearing in mind the possibility, mentioned earlier, that an imposter is attempting to cast the subject as an object of ridicule in the form of a sad and frustrated overinflated ego craving recognition).

And finally, I wonder if there are any sources commenting on the strange and sustained campaign here at Wikipedia to control the content of the article -- bearing in mind (I repeat again for the third time) the difficulty of determining at this point whether those behind this campaign are actually the subject or just someone trying to embarrass him, though I incline to the latter.

EEng (talk) 02:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

More 1

 * The following was transferred from User talk:Eng

1. Je précise tout d'abord qu'A.I.S. (Assistance Informatique Services) dont je suis le gérant, a été chargée de regrouper chronologiquement les informations de seconde source que Carole Henson modératrice US ne trouvait pas. Je les ai scannées et publiées dans le Site 'Authentic Yatridès' qui m'appartient. Il m'a fallu 3 mois pour effectuer ce travail, en partant des années 1950 à aujourd'hui; travail d’autant plus difficile que la discrétion de Yatridès tout au long de sa carrière ne m'a pas aidé à réunir ces informations. Si vous parcourez le chapitre 'Articles Presse, magazines (...) et films TV' vous constaterez que son travail pictural a déterminé de nombreux événements importants. Concernant Kubrick '2001 a space odyssey' les documents scannés sont révélateurs, le travail de Yatridès est antécédent.

2. Au plan scientifique, ce que l'on sait, c'est que ses recherches concernent la lumière blanche émise par un corps solide en incandescence. Selon le modèle standard la lumière blanche et les couleurs qui la composent ont toutes la même vitesse c chacune. Il a découvert que ces vitesses sont modifiées dans certains conditions dans lesquelles 'le milieu ambiant est l'air'. Elles peuvent avoir alors des vitesses très inférieures de c (299, 722, 458 m/s). Cela interfère dans de nouvelles approches des notions de temps et d'espace; l'INPI (Institut National de la Propriété Industrielle) a enregistré un de ses modèles géométriques qui se trouve être l'étalon premier, soit un rectangle se reproduisant indéfiniment par un seul de ses éléments. Cela ouvre des perspectives spatiales innovantes. La qualité du travail de Yatrides me sert auprès de mes Clients importants de Rhône-Alpes région industrielle et universitaire de France. A ce sujet, plusieurs Universités ont réalisé des études discursives et sémiotiques de son travail.

3. Yatrides vit discrètement et ne proclame pas être un grand Peintre, d'autres le disent. Il dit de lui qu'il est un bon artisan et que l'avantage qu'il a eu est d'avoir vécu sans avoir jamais obéi à quiconque. Voir dans 'Authentique Yatrides' tous ses refus de nombreuses propositions (groupes bancaires, réalisations de longs métrages proposés par de bons metteurs en scène renommés de ses amis mais dont les investisseurs ne lui convenaient pas etc.)

--Arnaugi (talk) 15:22, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ''End of transferred material. Bing translation:
 * ''1. I specify first that has.I.S. (support computer Services) which I am the Manager, was responsible for group chronologically the second source information that Carole Henson moderating US did not. I scanned them and published in the 'Authentic Yatridès' Site that belongs to me. It took me 3 months to perform this work, starting from the 1950s to today; that much harder work that the discretion of Yatridès throughout his career has not helped me to gather this information. If you browse the chapter 'Blogs press, magazines (...) and Movies TV' you will find that his pictorial work has identified many important events. Concerning Kubrick '2001 a space odyssey' [76] scanned documents are revealing, the work of Yatridès is history.
 * ''2. Scientifically, what is known is that his research concern the white light emitted from a solid body glow. In the standard model the white light and the colours that compose all have the same speed c each. He discovered that these speeds are changed in some conditions in which ' ambient air'. They can then have much lower rates of c (299, 722, 458 m/s). This interferes in new approaches to the concepts of time and space; INPI (Institut National de la Propriété Industrielle) recorded one of his geometric models which is be the Stallion first, either a rectangle reproducing indefinitely by one of its elements. This opens up innovative spatial perspectives. The quality of the work of Yatridès serves me with my major Clients of Rhône-Alpes region industrial and University of France. In this regard, several universities conducted studies discursive and semiotic of his work.
 * ''3. Yatridès lives discreetly and proclaims not be one great painter, others say. He said that it is a good craftsman and the advantage he had is to have lived without having never obey anyone. See 'Authentic Yatridès' in all its refusal of many proposals (banking groups, achievements of films proposed by good directors of his friends but agreed investors did him not etc.)[

My answer:

1. Wikipedia articles are based only on independent, published, reliable sources such as serious art reviews, academic papers, and books. It is good that you are enthusiastic about Yatrides, but your researches can not be used in the article on Yatrides.

2. With all respect, this talk is nonsense.

3. Yatrides has angered many people by his attempts to control the article about him. My advice is that he never look at the article again, and forbid others to speak with him about the article. He should trust that with time the article will reflect his life and work faithfully. He must not interfere. His friends and enthusiasts must not interfere. To do so is against Wikipedia rules.

There is nothing more to discuss.
 * Bing translation:
 * 1. Wikipedia reposent  seulement '' sur des sources publiées, indépendantes et fiables comme art sérieux clients, articles académiques et les livres. Il est bon que vous êtes enthousiaste au sujet de Yatrides, mais vos recherches ne peuvent pas être utilisés dans l'article sur Yatrides.
 * ''2. Avec égards, cet exposé est un non-sens.
 * 3. Qui a provoqué la colère de gens par ses tentatives pour contrôler l'article à son sujet. Mon Conseil est qu'il a jamais lire l'article encore une fois et interdire d'autres pour parler avec lui de l'article. Il devrait faire confiance que  avec le temps '' l'article reflète sa vie et travaillent fidèlement. Il ne doit pas interférer. Ses amis et les amateurs ne doivent pas interferer.
 * ''Il n'y a plus rien à discuter.

EEng (talk) 22:59, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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Because of the nonsense that you give my statement obliges me to answer

First, I want to emphasize that I am not an art lover. It is not question about love, but information. The sites I've made, including "Authentic Yatrides" are professional content, consisting solely of references without any personal assessment or any kind of advertising. However, I do note that the hundreds of references concerning the work of Yatrides are complimentary, without forgetting he was Great Master Guest International Biennials France-Canada and Canada-France from 1987 to 1993.These references are official printed and edited:  I have sorted out and scanned. I was asked a work that I realized; these references are on Authentic Yatrides. This is my business: A.I.S. – Assistance Informatique Services. 1.These references come, notably,  from Dictionaries, Great Universities[76], Scientists high level, Historians including The President of the Assembly of the Union of Western Europe  (1960-1963) , Books edited with ISBN Editors, Events     , Biennials etc. These sources are scanned on Authentic Yatrides. I think you could check these references since they are scanned, dated.

2. Nonsense: I understand your confusion: indeed the translation of the French language by “Bing” is incorrect. It is about new standard measure (“etalon” in French) and not about a horse (“stallion”: Bing translation). The discovery of Yatrides a geometric figure that reproduces itself reproducing ad infinitum by the projection of the single diagonal, makes the first intrinsic geometric standard. That determines new openings in the unification of forces. (“Geometry is dynamic” : A. Einstein – Rien ne va plus en physique–“L’Echec de la théorie des cordes“ Lee Smolin 2006, Edition Dunod Paris 2007 ISBN 978-2-10050702-3). If an electromagnetic field is a manifestation of geometry, "small circle" (Theodor Kaluza-Klein) is not "frozen /locked" but is dynamic by cloning itself, discovery of Yatrides of a dynamic rectangular deposited in the I.N.P.I.(n°443587 200312,march,20th 2012)

3. Regarding his own research at the CEA – “Bureau d’Applications spéciales de la Physique” (AEC -French Atomic Energy Commission) on hydrocarbons: Yatridès chose tobacco from hydrocarbon materials, which contains inter alia, over 3000 natural elements. Lead content in tobacco has its point of sublimation vapour at 500° Celsius. The combustion of cigarettes reached 800/870°. Yatridès showed that lead vapours disturb the speed of the white light (c = 3 x 108 m/s) that is almost identical in air. The white light comes from the incandescence of 440c steel introduced into the hearth of the combustion, according to the device correlative patents approved, all claims granted. The hydrocarbon from three (3) sets of experiments weight determines the different specific sequences associated with each of them including the one for the light emanating from an incandescent solid body implanted in the cylinder of tobacco (cigarette).

In the “Flint glass” containing lead, the speed of the colours of the white colour spectrum is reduced, each specifically: The speed of the red colour is reduced to $1.854$ m/s The blue is reduced to: $1.835$ m/s (whereas normally blue is faster than red colour). Yatridès demonstrates that the velocities of colours no longer have the value c(299,722,458 m/s). But moreover vary during the same spread, as the volume of vapour is moving and goes dispersing.

--Arnaugi (talk) 16:09, 25 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnaugi (talk • contribs)


 * "Stallion" had nothing to do with my opinion. The language barrier makes this discussion impossible. I am sorry but there is no point in continuing. EEng (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2013 (UTC)