Talk:Georgian Legion (1941–1945)

questions
few questions:

1. when exactly the georgian legion of 1914 stop being unit? 2. what is the connection between Kress von Kressenstein and the georgian ligion? ut is written that:

"...Kressenstein was sent with a small German force to Georgia, that was protected by Germany after its independence..."

and about Leo Kereselidze it is written that:

"...In 1918, he was with the mission of Baron Kress von Kressenstein to Georgia, and helped to create the national army of the recently established Democratic Republic of Georgia...."

do the georgian legion exsits this time? do the legion join the army of the new country? whan?

3. Kakutsa Cholokashvili was also served on a georgian legion, in the russian army. are there is any connection?

Geagea 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

answers
1. when exactly the georgian legion of 1914 stop being unit? In 1917, by the decree/orders of President Zhordania the Georgian Legion was disbanded and its members displaced in various newly created army of GDR. The reason for this dismissal was due to the pressure from the victorious Allies from whom Zhordania expected the recognition of his country. The German-sponsored legion was a negative stain on the British-French relations with newly established independent Georgia.

2. what is the connection between Kress von Kressenstein and the georgian ligion?

Count Von Kressenstein was commissioned by Marshal Ludendorf in 1914 to create an expeditionary German force to Georgia which would equip and train the newly created Georgian Legion. Kressenstein appointed Horst Schliephack as the commanding general but later he was replaced by the talented Count Ferdinand Wolfgang von der Schulenburg as the general of the Georgian Legion.

''3. do the georgian legion exsits this time? do the legion join the army of the new country? whan?''

Georgian Legion was created by the end of 1915 and was fully functional as a military force by mid 1915. The legion engaged in various battles for Georgia during the Turkish aggression on Batumi (1916-17). Ldingley 19:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. but still ...
Many thanks fot the detailed answers. but still there are few things:

1. "Georgian Legion was created by the end of 1915 and was fully functional as a military force by mid 1915."

maybe you mean "mid 1916"?

2. A. Kress von Kressenstein was sent to Turkey in January 25 1914. and in September 27 1914 he was sent to Syria. b. "Georgian Legion was created by the end of 1915".

So how he can created Georgian Legion? His misson was only to creat the georgian legion?

3. It said that "...during the Turkish aggression on Batumi (1916-17)". but the Kars Republic was from December 1, 1918 to April 19 1919? or may be it is another Turkish aggression?

Sorry for so much bother, and again many thanks for the attention. Geagea 00:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Partly factually incorrect
There is a specific sentence in the article's "History" paragraph that is misleading:

" Although they had sworn an oath of personal loyalty to Hitler and some Georgians were in the SS, Hitler's personal guard, across Europe, especially in Italy and France, many Georgian soldiers of the Wehrmacht deserted and joined local Resistance Movements"

My problem with that sentence is the following: the way it is written implies that the fact of mass defection or absent loyalty in many Georgian soldiers is surprising, since some members have been in the SS. This is pretty strange - I don't see how membership in the SS implies absolute loyalty and dedication, much less for an entire ethnic group, although only some members of said group were active SS members. I understand that this is not being claimed in the paragraph, but it is nevertheless implied (most likely involuntarily) by the wording. The perception is enhanced by the statement that the SS was "Hitler's personal guard". This is actually only partly correct and misleading in this case. While the SS (Schutzstaffel, literally "protection squad") was indeed explicitly formed as a small bodyguard unit for Adolf Hitler, it grew enormously in only a few years and developed into a much bigger, paramilitary organization taking over other duties, becoming an integral part of the state through the merge between party structure and organizational/governmental structure that was taken to an extreme degree in Nazi Germany. It stopped being a "bodyguard" squad long before the outbreak of WWII, much less 1941. Besides, I strongly suspect that the Georgian SS formations were part of the Waffen-SS, an altogether separate branch distinct from the SS. Especially in the latter years of the war, as the tide was turning, Waffen-SS commanders/recruiters shed ideological factors such as "racial purity" or ideological inclination, and began recruiting "cannon fodder" en masse. Thus, membership in the SS is not a guarantee for loyalty. Vargher (talk) 20:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That’s a very good point, actually. I removed the first part of the passage at all. --KoberTalk 05:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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