Talk:Gerard Quintana

First version
I hope to be able to add some detail to the 'career' section of this over the next few months, as my knowledge of Catalan improves. At least, I hope it will improve. Any input and improvements from Catalan-speakers would be most welcome. The Catalan Wikipedia page on Quintana is itself not as informative as one might wish. AgTigress (talk) 09:12, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you to whoever kindly inserted the IPA for the Catalan pronunciation of his name! :-) AgTigress (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

'el Mick Jagger català'!
I hadn't come across this! Where and by whom has he been thus described? I am not sure how apposite the comparison is: Gerard Quintana was (and still is, on his breathtaking showing on the recent tour, September 2011), a truly great rock star, but the range of his talents, musical and other, goes well beyond rock music. Without for one moment (perish the thought!) criticising the great Mick, I should say that Gerard Quintana is a good deal more than the 'Catalan Jagger'. AgTigress (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Asking for more help, again
I have uploaded an additional image, my own copyright, and added it to this page, but I have totally forgotten how to put in the various classifications on a Wikimedia Commons file. Could someone remind me? AgTigress (talk) 15:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually that was fine - as he has his own category, just adding it there (in theory) gets it into most of the right category trees, like Catalonian singers etc. I added "2011 in Catalonia" and "Concerts in Catalonia" but couldn't think of anything else. Hope the concert was fun; he looks on fine form! Johnbod (talk) 19:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Johnbod! The concert was FANTASTIC. Quintana is a real star, and I find it extremely hard to write about him without sounding like a rock-chick/groupie in spite of my advanced years. I need a good dose of academic editing/reviewing to bring me back down to earth again, even after a week. If you could spare a glance at the 'Sopa de Cabra' page, I could do with some help with the pic in the infobox. I can't really handle infoboxes at all, and I can't work out how to caption it. I want to list the names from left to right. AgTigress (talk) 23:30, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Done; as you're already inside a "template" you don't need the usual formatting. The easiest way to do infoboxes & other fiddly templates is to copy one from another article. What are his best songs? I'll give him a go on You Tube. Johnbod (talk) 01:27, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Johnbod. (I seem to say that a lot...). There are a lot of videos on YouTube of both Sopa and of Gerard as a solo artist. Try any of the versions of Camins or El far del sud or l'Emporda. Those are three of the classic songs. AgTigress (talk) 05:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYFsrIWyrns  Recorded about 1997-8. AgTigress (talk) 08:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Or this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79foFSDoOxY Judging by Gerard's earring and by the fact that both Cuco and Pep have short hair in that film, it must have been recorded around 2000, though the song was in their repertoire long before that. 'Camins' means 'paths, roads', and the lyrics are about directions and choices in life. There are now a lot of videos on YouTube of the recent 2011 concerts, but many of them are of very poor amateur quality. AgTigress (talk) 08:35, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Spanish / Catalan
I have returned to this page after a long hiatus, and noticed that 'Catalan singer...' etc. in the lead paragraph has been changed to 'Spanish'. I have changed it back, because although Quintana is obviously a Spanish citizen, his ethnic/cultural identity is Catalan; this is an important part of his his public persona. I am not showing any disrespect whatever to Spain, but merely following a normal practice whereby a distinctive cultural identity within a larger entity is acknowledged. Check the WP pages for two singers who are British citizens, but who are correctly described as Welsh rather than 'British' in their opening paragraphs: Tom Jones and Cerys Matthews. The same practice is doubtless followed for well-known figures who are Scottish. This is not a denial of their Britishness, but merely a more precise description. AgTigress (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Good to see you again. I'm sure this is right, but as you can imagine similar changes may well be made in future. Better keep a more regular eye on it! Actually it only happened a month ago, as an ISP's only edit (so far) . Johnbod (talk) 23:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Johnbod, you are ever-present and all-seeing! I have been very much out of the loop for a couple of years: Real Life has been very tough. But I do hope to update this article in the near future by adding some more recent information. I shall have to re-learn a lot of WP stuff that I have forgotten. At least my Catalan is better now than it was when I wrote the original article. AgTigress (talk) 09:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that but great to see you about again - I was just remarking yesterday at Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject desk/Interviews3 that "Our coverage of historical, let alone archaeological, jewellery is very thin indeed", but I live in hope! Johnbod (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe I'll get my act together again at some point, Johnbod. In the meantime, I'll keep an eye on this article at least and try to expand it a bit. AgTigress (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I have once again reverted 'Spanish' to 'Catalan' in the lead paragraph, for the reasons given above. The subject is a Spanish citizen and speaks Spanish as well as Catalan as a native tongue, but his cultural self-identity is specifically Catalan. I am not going to repeat the arguments: they are the same as before. The parallel with 'British' and 'Welsh' or 'Scottish', as discussed above, is a close one. I hope that whoever is making this change will desist, and will at least explain his/her rationale. AgTigress (talk) 22:50, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Updating; new image(s)
I hope you will come to my rescue yet again, Johnbod. I'm sorry that I surface so rarely that in the meantime I have forgotten how to do everything on WP. I have been bringing this page up to date, and I want to add a new photo. When I was doing some of the Roman pottery edits, I learned how to upload my own images to Wikimedia Commons and insert them in a page, so I can probably re-educate myself, but this time I shall want to use at least one photo that is not my own, therefore not my personal copyright, but I shall have the copyright-holder's permission to use it. There are so many pages about the use of images and the copyright restrictions that I don't know where to start. Please, can you help again? I am so sorry to be such a nuisance. AgTigress (talk) 11:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


 * You start at . For ones not by you: 1) Either get the copyright-holder to do it if possible (much the simplest, but don't mix different rights-holders in a batch), or 2)Follow the instructions at Commons:OTRS which are reasonably clear I think (I've never taken this route myself, so don't know much more than it says here). This really needs either you or they to draft an email in the appropriate form for them to complete.  Then you get a "ticket number" you can brandish on uploading the image. If it is just personal pics by someone else there should be no problems once that is got. But of course let me know if you run into problems.  Good to hear from you again.  Esquiline Treasure is a recent addituion by me & others - I'd be grateful for a look-over. All best wishes, Johnbod (talk) 22:04, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Johnbod: I was afraid there was no easy way, and I was right! I haven't got the pics I want yet, so in the meantime I may add one of my own, which I think I can remember how to do, and then I'll tackle the copyright-permission ritual when it arises. I'll have a look at the Esquiline page soon. I suppose I should cast an eye over some of the pages I have worked on in the past, too. Thank you for always being around. :-) AgTigress (talk) 12:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

2015 updating
I got nowhere with the pictures, I fear, though I might use one of my own at some stage, which will avoid copyright issues, but will require me to re-learn how to upload to Wikimedia Commons. I have started to do some more general updating with the text, including adding a section on the subject's books, and one on the new Sopa de Cabra venture. Haven't checked the Sopa de Cabra page yet. I have forgotten a lot of editing stuff, so I expect I have made mistakes.--AgTigress (talk) 10:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

2021 update
I am embarking (after more than 5 years of neglect) on a major update of this page. It will take some time and be in several phases. As I had forgotten everything about the editing process, I shall undoubtedly make mistakes along the way.AgTigress (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2021 (UTC)