Talk:Geri Halliwell/Archive 1

Canada
Does anybody know the Canadian chart positions for both Schizophonic and Scream If You Wanna Go Faster? I don't think this article would be complete without them. DrippingInk 20:22, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Schizophonic was No.4 in Canada

Why does this page have a blue border?
Is there any reason for it? M.C. Brown Shoes 12:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Until someone gives a good reason I have removed it Dean.l 08:51, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Clean-up
I believe that the article is in a state of depression. It is okay in terms of sales and British chart positions and perhaps even preceding fame aspects, but it is not travelling the road of success. I'm going to be enforcing the clean-up tag and once I return to the computer I access while I am volunteering, I'll be fixing it up. As mentioned, for now the clean-up tag will be present in the article. Eternal Equinox 19:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Are there any sources or citations for the Canadian and U.S. chart positions for Halliwell's albums? I am aware that the British chart positions are documented in her autobiography part two Just for the Record, however, the others do not cite a reference. The Canadian position for Schizophonic appears correct, but I can't be too sure of myself. Does anyone have the figures for these sale positions? If one does, please place the reference in the article as per Citing sources. –Eternal Equinox 19:58, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * --Hotwiki 14:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, that documents her British and American positions. Now does one hold the chart position for Schizophonic in Canada? The peak position is correct, but I am curious as to what its chart run was. –Eternal Equinox 21:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced quotes
Once the following is referenced, I believe it could meet the criteria for a standard Wikipedia article. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

On October 18, 2005, a statement was released in Splash News by Gervasi: "I fully intend to give Geri and the baby all the love and support they need."

''She has since been seen with fellow ex-Spice Girl, Victoria Beckham in Los Angeles and London. Victoria was quoted as saying:''

"(Geri) came to stay at my house and I've been looking after her a bit. Geri looks amazing, pregnancy suits her.

"She's feeling really good and is really happy."

''With pregnancy confirmed, the future of Halliwell's career seems uncertain. She has yet to make any announcements, and leaves her fans speculating about the outcome.''


 * Does anyone plan on referencing these quotes? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:50, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete that, Wikipedia is not a news site--Hotwiki 13:30, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Tagged March 2006
This article is a disaster: poorly written, poorly researched and is a mess. If I get change I'll clean it up, but if anyone else wants to do it then feel free... Rimmers 21:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is a mess but I don't know what to do about it... I've attempted referencing some points, but the article is almost hopeless. I've even considered submitting it to AID. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Shut up Rimmers you're acting like you know everything on this site; well you don't. If I remember how such a mess did you do in the Spice Girls article and all I did was to clean-up the article. Stop acting like you're a such a perfect person and stop thinking that you can do much better than anyone else.--hottie 15:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hotwiki, please read No personal attacks and Civility, which you've failed to display during your most recent post. I'm reverting the changes and submitting this article to AID. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 16:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hottie, you seem to have a problem - but that's your issue, not mine. You've shown yourself to be impossible to work with, maybe that is why people don't listen to what you have to say. Maybe if you learned a little humility and weren't so rude and arrogant, people maybe will find it easier to work with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rimmers (talk • contribs)

As for the SG article - I did make a royal mess of it originally - but it was I who re-wrote the entire thing and made it into a good article. Now if this hostility is derived from jealousy then I suggest you get over yourself quickly because quite frankly you're making a fool of yourself. Rimmers 19:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Rimmers, unless you already have, you may want to consider voting for Halliwell's article at AID &mdash; I agree that it is in terrible shape and requires rapid expansion and promotion. We could always work on the article together if you want. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Rimmers my only problem is you but that is an issue that is not yet available. Well I only work with people I like. People don't listen to me maybe because they are trying to be deaf or something and as for this article, you don't need to put a pic that is the same with another one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotwiki (talk • contribs)

Capital FM Award?
Someone has put down that Geri has won a "Best British Female" award at the Capital FM Awards. (It was put at the wrong part of the article and I've formatted and moved it). However, upon some research, there is no evidence that she had won such an award! Can anyone clarify this? If not, I'm going to delete this comment. smileydude66 17:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

If there is still no clarification and reference for the award in the next 48 hours, I will delete the entry for the Capital FM Award. smileydude66 19:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, since no one knows what that award is about, I've gone ahead and deleted it until further notice. smileydude66 18:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Carrying papers comment
I've taken the liberty of deleting this comment from "The Future" section of the article because it did not make any sense plus there were no references of it to be found:-

"She was recently spotted out by the paparazzi, and pictures show geri carrying papers saying "movies, television?" and the paper's were headed "career options". Seems we have not saw the back of geri yet."

If you know what this comment actually means and can find a source for it, you are more than welcome to put it back into the article. Thanks. smileydude66 18:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Awful image scaling
The image with the current scaling looks blocky and awful. -- nyenyec &#9742; 02:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Trademark of name
There's no trademark according to the UK Patent Office 17:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup/tone issues - December 2006
I added the cleanup and tone tags; at time the article reads like a gushing fansite. Major POV and grammar issues. I'll do what I can. - -  weirdo actor tundefinedc - - 00:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Songwriter
"Geri set another two records for shortest time for a female songwriter to achieve her ninth and tenth no. 1 UK singles. "Lift Me Up" hit no. 1 3 years, 3 months, and 3 weeks after Wannabe's first week at no. 1, and Bag It Up hit 4 months later. Melanie C, in contrast, took seven more months to achieve her tenth no. 1 single as a songwriter, with I Turn To You. All-time leaders Lennon/McCartney took 3 years, 1 month, 3 weeks between From Me To You and their tenth no. 1 UK hit Paperback Writer."

How many of these songs did she actually write? I personally would strongly contest that she could even generally be called a "singer-songwriter" - if you look at the definition given on the singer-songwriter page then it's clear that she's a "singer", but is there any evidence that she was responsible for writing these songs? This isn't a promotional article designed to portray her in her best light, it's supposed to deal with fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.158.94 (talk) 03:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Sales
how could passion have peaked at 41 and still have sold so much does anyone have any resources for these claims?? I highly doubt that on a world wide scale it would go over the 100,000 mark.

""Passion" was the third solo album from Geri Halliwell, which was in the making for four years. Released on 6 June 2005, the album met a lukewarm reception. Originally planned for release after the second single in early 2005 (probably "Love Never Loved Me"), Virgin sent Geri to Sweden to record new tracks. The result of which was "Desire" and "Surrender Your Groove", which knocked "100% Pure Love" and "Set Me Off" from the final cut. In that time, Geri's image was harmed by her car-crash documentary "There's Something About Geri". "Passion" debuted at #41, selling just 5,432 copies in its first week, and went on to sell about 10,000 copies."

http://foreverspice.com/spicediscography/


 * You have been changing figures over and over again, so please don't do that especially if you do not cite where you material comes from. But since this story does check it, although I think it is already beyond 10,000 as sales tend to become 4-5 times the first week sales. I have reverted the figures back to Dec 20 before a lot of you kept changing figures back and forth. Please cite the source so it can be verified. Either way I like to apologuise for reverting your stuff. KittenKlub 20:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Schizophonic sounds plausible, but Scream If You Wanna Go Faster sounds way off, but the figure has been listed for a very long time and I can't find anything on the web. It has very low amazon rating, so the only possible explanation (a success in the US) is unlikely. Europe can multiple a UK figure by 2-3 times and if you include a non-success Canada and the US it can go upto 5 times. So 800,000 sounds more likely, but I can't find an accurate figure. http://www.geri-halliwell.com/ms/publicsites/gerihalliwell/geriwood/?view=javascript&detail=all talks about 1,8 million for It�s Raining Men world-wide, so that could be the source of the confusion. KittenKlub 20:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

yeah i'm really sorry as well, i remembered reading the 10,000 statistics but i forgot where i got it from, i only found it again recently, once again sorry next time i'll find sources before changing anything :) Shakilover


 * It was more the result of somebody else changing the information and that was never changed back. The 10,000 is mentioned on that site, but I think it is probably outdated. With 5,000 in the first week, 15,000 in the UK and 70,000 worldwide sounds more or less correct. It can even be slightly higher by now. KittenKlub 23:41, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

The BPI's website has a search engine that lists silver, gold, and platinum sales awards for record sales in the UK. The sales criteria are listed here. If you search for "Halliwell" it reveals that Schizophonic and "Look at Me" were both certified Gold and Silver on 11 June 1999 (presumably from pre-release orders); "Mi Chico Latino" was certified Silver on 27 August 1999; "Lift Me Up" Silver on 5 November 1999; Schizophonic Platinum 26 November 1999; "Bag it Up" Silver 17 March 2000; Schizophonic two times Platinum 23 June 2000. If you search for "Geri" it further reveals that "It's Raining Men" was certified Silver on 30 April 2001. Make of that what you will. I suspect that the BPI's search engine needs a bit of work. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 15:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Father's descent unclear
Her father's descent seems unclear to me: is he an ethnic Swede born and/or raised in Britain or is he half English and half Swedish?


 * Her father is ethnically half-Swedish, a quarter English and a quarter French. Charles 23:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide evidence that he had French ancestry? I believe he had one Swedish parent, one English parent, and that his surname was originally Sjovik; he took his stepfather's surname, Halliwell, when he was a child. Information yes (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistency with "Goodbye"
From the entry:

After Halliwell left, the girls wrote a few songs about her on their album Forever, notably "Goodbye", "Let Love Lead the Way" and "Tell Me Why"

Meanwhile, in the Spice Girls entry:

''Whilst on tour in America the group continued to record new material and they released the new song "Goodbye" at Christmas 1998. Written before her departure, the song was nevertheless seen as a tribute to Geri and when it topped the British chart it became their third consecutive Christmas number one'' -- 1 January 2007

Yes, and I would also like to point out that the citation, number 11, does not mention either "Goodbye" or "Let love lead the way" being about Geri. That sentence should probably be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.65.217 (talk) 14:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Nude modelling
Why is there no mention of the nude modelling she did before she found fame? She posed for lots of these shoots, many more pictures than I thought she did, and it isn't even listed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.14.84 (talk) 03:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Apparently, this has been fixed. Zigzig20s 20:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing about her Playboy modeling...JanderVK

The future - inconsistency
The first paragraph says she's gonna release new songs yet does not say where and when she said that. The second paragraph says the opposite to what the first paragraph says. Shouldn't the first paragraph be scrapped? (If not, please enlighten me and add a source to that paragraph.) Zigzig20s 20:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This section reads like an ad. Half assed for sure, but an ad, no doubt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.120.134.189 (talk) 15:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Personal life section too long
The 'personal life' section is arguably too long...'arguably' because she may be regarded as a celebrity, in which case those trivial titbits hold some kind of significance. However, I am not certain this is what an encyclopedia should focus on - surely we should focus on her career rather than on her personal life. Zigzig20s 20:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

And I quote from : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/encyclopedia :: noun - ''1. a book or set of books containing articles on various topics, usually in alphabetical arrangement, covering all branches of knowledge or, less commonly, all aspects of one subject.'' Why do I get the feeling you do not understand this ZigZig20s? Wikipedia is supposed to be an online encyclopedia where.. get this.. ALL FACTUAL DATA IS SUPPOSED TO BE RECORD. Now, I really don't care if you don't like Geri Halliwell. I don't really like her either. That should not influence what information is listed. As an encyclopedia you list ALL information, period. No arguments. No objections. Get over your personal bias and live with the scope of the project. Now, I am going to give you an opportunity to show that you actually understand what an encyclopedia is for. Gerri Halliwell has an entry on this page http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/encyclopedia from BBC's Top Gear. List the information for Gerri Halliwell in her entry and include a proper note back to her appearance. And don't be such a freaking idiot in the future. Liaison-Rocks 03:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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Find a better picture
In my eyes Geri can never look bad, but her pose in the current image doesnt look right. I'm goin to upload a better one of the iconic "ginger" look from 1997.. stil one of the most recongnised images of her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattylp 18 (talk • contribs) 06:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please note that any images added to Wikipedia have to fit copyright guidelines. The really rough and ready guide is that unless you took it yourself and can thus assign it appropriate copyright status, it's rather unlikely to be accepted. In particular, publicity images, pictures taken from other sites and CD content can't be used to illustrate articles about individuals. Gusworld (talk) 23:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Labels list
At |this edit, an IP user added Virgin to the labels list in the infobox. This doesn't seem appropriate to me -- the Spice Girls were on Virgin, but none of Geri's solo material was on Virgin itself, but on a variety of EMI sub-labels, so I removed it. But perhaps we should discuss whether the individual labels merit listing there or whether EMI alone is sufficient. (There's no material in the article itself to support having loads of label material in there, as far as I can tell at a quick glance, but it presumably wouldn't be that hard to source if required). Gusworld (talk) 05:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Alleged new album info
An IP editor added this text: "It was reported by the Daily Mirror in February 2008 that Geri was back in the studio recording her 4th album. According to his myspace, British/Russian singer Jack Lucien has written a few songs for the album.." However, a search of the Mirror archives doesn't turn up any such reference in that month, and Lucien's blog entry only makes a vague reference to "working on her album" (no specification if it is songs, production, proposed songs or whatever). I've removed this until someone can come up with a better source for the claim (and it probably would go under future plans if it was restored in an appropriately sourced format, unless much more information was forthcoming). Gusworld (talk) 20:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Text re-ordered, copy edit pending
I've just reshuffled the sections to make a more logical order and renamed the sections (e.g. it's not appropriate to have a "the future" section because of WP:CRYSTAL. The article is still in need of a serious copy edit: there's lots of problems with tense, irrelevant material (particularly the screeds of quotes, most of which don't add any substantive information) and general messiness. I'll look to do this in the next day or so. Gusworld (talk) 22:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Bulimia
Didn't she suffer with bulimia for a while? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.96.37 (talk) 22:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, she admitted it. Information yes (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Wax figure
Does anyone want to mention the new wax figure of her at Tussauds? I can't find the right place. --Cameron* 16:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Sexy Spice vs Ginger Spice
I can't find a source for this: ''was dubbed Sexy Spice for her seductive outfits and stage costumes. However, she preferred being called Ginger Spice stating, "I always thought of myself as clumsy, not sexy."''... so I'm replacing it with a ginger spice reference from Halliwell's autobiography. Siawase (talk) 19:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The Spice Girls got their names from Smash Hits magazine, in which Halliwell was named Sexy Spice. Soon after, it was changed to Ginger Spice. The other four kept their nicknames the same. Information yes (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Eating disorder
This page desperately needs a section on her eating disorder. She's almost as famous for that as she is anything else, to be honest. 86.2.38.112 (talk) 22:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Calling
Just wondering why some people want to list the song Calling twice in her discography - once in English and once in French. I've just reverted an instance and it seems strange to me. Can anyone clear this up. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Opening paragraph
Does the opening paragraph really need to go on about how her topless pictures got out during her spice girls fame, and that she talked about it in that documentary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.92.190 (talk) 14:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Relationships
Especially as Halliwell is a living person, we must reference these or they must be deleted. We are not a gossip rag, nor do we publish original research. --John (talk) 08:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

12 million record sales.....?
i just deleted the opening paragraph where it stated she has sold "12 millions albums and singles as a solo artist"

i cant see how that is correct seeing that the 'schizophonic' page seems to think it sold around 1 million in total (its a bit vague) and 'scream if you want to go faster' sold 1.3 million (apparently) and 'passion' didnt even go top 40...so how can she have sold 12 million? there was no link/reference either so i have removed that line. even if the singles sales raked up another 1.5 million its probably more like 4 million she has sold...there is not way each album sold 4 million! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.216.100 (talk) 18:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Fansites used as sources
Please note that unofficial fansites (either for Halliwell or the Spice Girls) cannot be used as reliable sources, particularly for sales figures.80.41.18.79 (talk) 20:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The Legend G
I removed this title from the books list as I couldn't find any information about it. I know people add a lot of misinformation to this and other Spice Girls related articles from time to time, so perhaps if the book does exist then we should find a reference for it. Thanks TheRetroGuy (talk) 21:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Birth date edit war
I will block the next person who makes a change to the birthdate in this article. Feel free to discuss, as you should have done hours ago. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If there are references giving alternative dates of birth then it might be worth inserting a hidden comment, as has been done with this article where there was a lot of date changing activity. I might do this in a few days if I get a chance and if nobody objects. TheRetroGuy (talk) 21:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * May as well do it now. If anyone has any major problems with it they can take it out again. Should be ok though and might prevent any future confusion over this issue. TheRetroGuy (talk) 09:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: This reference to "Spice Magazine #1 from Spring 1998", if that refers to the official magazine, I looked it up and the profile in that issue says 1972 and nothing else. Siawase (talk) 10:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * So what was the guy playing at? It's probably worth leaving the hidden text in place (perhaps with one or two slight tweaks) in case anyone else wants to change the date, but I'll leave the decision on that up to others. TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Google for '"geri halliwell" born 1968' turns up this forum posting by a user who is now banned from the forum. I'm guessing it's just someone with a grudge. DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like that was the case. Glad we got to the bottom of it anyway. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 abum
I know there are reports that she's working on a new album, but before adding information about this to the discography, we should wait till; a) it's finished, b) there's been an official announcement, and c) it has a title. Until this happens, any information concerning a new album is speculative and adds nothing to this section of the article. Ideally any information that is ultimately added should come from reliable sources and be referenced. Currently there are no reliable sources for this information. I will remove any unreferenced edits which are made regarding a new album until something reliable becomes available. Thank you TheRetroGuy (talk) 17:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Spice Girls exit date
It's always been said that Geri left the Spice Girls on May 30, 1998 because that's when her press statement was given. However, during her interview with Piers Morgan they showed a video of her, and she said she left the group on May 27, 1998. So since she stated it herself, should that be the date we use? Here's the video for reference. The moment I'm talking about it starts at 6 minutes in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omF44pYOg_w --Shadow (talk) 05:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Lauren Laverne
{"I saw a lot of what Mrs Thatcher did. She was definitely the original Spice Girl rising from the greengrocer's daughter to Prime Minister." For this, Lauren Laverne called her "Tory scum".}

Lauren who??? Who is this person? Why do I care what she thinks of Halliwell's politics? Why was this important to the story, again, please, someone, anyone?? Some "GRAVY TRAINER" gets her name mention in the article of another that's 20 rungs higher on the evolutionary ladder, because she called her a name. Very good Wiki, very good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.137.224.213 (talk) 22:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Lauren Laverne is a well-established radio and television presenter, and is therefore eligible to be quoted in the article. TheRetroGuy (talk) 16:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Age
Does anyone know for sure what her birth year is? The page currently says 1972, and she was claiming to be 25 when "Wannabe" was inescapable, but has anyone ever bothered to actually view her birth certificate? Because she's always looked more like a 1962 than a 1972. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doubledragons (talk • contribs) 22:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Births England and Wales 1837-2006 Jim Michael (talk) 09:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Citation needed
There sure are a number of "Citation Needed" tags in this article. Can some of this un-cited stuff be removed? David Able 03:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a BLP so anything controversial and uncited should be removed. However, some of the material is probably easy to cite to her autobiography(ies?), in fact I have done so previously, but for some reason this article has suffered a lot of unconstructive edits that have eroded the article over time and removed references. Siawase (talk) 12:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Peter Crouch
Does anyone have any evidence that she is related to Peter Crouch, as previously claimed on his page.


 * Nothing significant from a Google Search. TheRetroGuy (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

4th album
The title: "Putting On The Bling", please write it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.72.253.82 (talk) 10:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reference (and I mean a reliable one). TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:52, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Henry Beckwith
As reported by PerezHilton on 8/8/2011 "Geri Halliwell and her boyfriend of two years have officially called it quits. As we understand it, she and Henry Beckwith called things off after a "major row" three weeks ago." Any other confirmations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanie3ttt (talk • contribs) 03:35, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If it gets reported by a reliable source then we can add this. TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Archiving
Have set up archiving on this page for discussions older that 60 days as it is getting quite large and cumbersome to edit. TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Putting on the Bling
Supposed title of her next album, but most of the links I can find seem to be speculation from sources such as Heat Magazine and the Daily Express celebrity gossip column. I have therefore removed the information relating to this title. When a more reliable source becomes available, such as The BBC, The Guardian, NME, The Independent, etc, I think it could go back in. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:00, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I know nothing really about the subject but I think one should avoid writing things like "sometime this year" since no-one knows when this was written and it may also stay there for years, possibly. Davstok (talk) 13:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Actress
There should be a section as her career as an actress she has enough to fill a small section, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.109.157.165 (talk) 00:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I presume that the preceding comment is meant as a joke. She has made a handful of appearances playing someone other than herself.  Hardly a 'career'.  Mrstonky (talk) 01:26, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Singer-songwriter
Do we have a source for writing credits for her songs? I think singer seems like a more accurate description here. It seems to be a common theme in articles like this to present singers as "singer-songwriters" because they were given some minor discretion over lyrics. I'd also say that if there isn't a reference it should revert back to "singer" by default as there's no dispute over whether she sings or not. Bandanamerchant (talk) 13:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No references, so I've reverted the description. Mrstonky (talk) 01:29, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


 * We don't need "sources" to tell Geri Halliwell is also a songwriter, if you know the credits for her solo albums and the Spice Girls albums, you will know that she co-wrote all the songs except for the cover versions. Visit the Wikipedia articles for those albums, and Geri Halliwell is listed as a writer.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 03:49, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Age
How is she 40!? I distinctly remember, when I was 14 and the Spice Girls were big, she was being touted as 25-26. I'm now 33, which would make her according to that,around 45. Cjmooney9 (talk) 11:16, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * - THANK you. I knew there was something not quite right about her DOB. If anything she seems to miraculously gain a year for every two! She is most definitely in her mid to late forties by now. Nothing to be ashamed of! D.M. Cussons 10:31, 3 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistergraycrayon (talk • contribs)


 * The stated age appears to be correct. A BBC report from early 2001 gives her age as 28, which tallies with hitting 41 in late 2013; if she's lying, she's been remarkably consistent for the last 13 years.  In addition, the Spice Girls were formed after responding to a March 1994 audition call specifying women aged 18-23.  Even if she were at the upper limit of that range, the most she could be is 43 in early 2014. Mrstonky (talk) 01:11, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Surprisingly, she was born in 1972! I have obtained her birth registration record and it shows she was born in the period Jul-Sep 1972. Vicky Coren (talk) 13:07, 11 October 2014 (UTC)



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Current surname
A couple of recent media articles have suggested she now goes by the name Geri Horner professionally. Can anyone confirm this? I don't feel the article needs to be retitled since she was known professionally as Geri Halliwell for longer, but it would be worth noting that she now professionally goes by the Horner name too, not just as her married name. 136.159.160.5 (talk) 17:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Her Twitter name suggests so, but her handle uses Halliwell, so it seems as if she uses both interchangeably. 86.3.230.143 (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


 * In Passing she was billed and referred to as Horner on Room 101 (BBC1 09 March 2018) although her Spice Girls connecection was referred to Cannonmc (talk) 03:47, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 22 July 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Please feel free to revisit this as usage changes in the future, as necessary. Dekimasu よ! 21:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Geri Halliwell → Geri Horner – Geri Horner has been known as Geri Horner for 3 years now. Her new surname, Horner, is more notable than her name Geriwell. Geriwell is associated with Spice Girls, which is now 24 years old, however Geri Horner is associated with her husband Christian Horner, who is OBE and current Team Principal for Red Bull Racing. Geriwell is no longer appropriate. For example, Michelle Obama is known as Michelle Obama, and not as Michelle Robinson, her maiden name. 78.150.4.206 (talk) 21:25, 21 July 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 23:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Is "Geri Horner" really the WP:COMMONNAME? If it is, then the article should be moved; otherwise, it shouldn't. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, per WP:NAMECHANGES when someone changes their name, Wikipedia follows. All post-marriage sources use "Horner". For example, this article in the Guardian. The analogy with Michelle Obama isn't valid, though (in my opinion) as she wasn't WP:NOTABLE before she got married. jamacfarlane (talk) 09:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support but is the underscore intentional or a typo? jamacfarlane (talk) 03:47, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME – the married name doesn't automatically become the COMMONNAME, and she's been known as Halliwell far longer... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * User:IJBall what sources refer to her as Halliwell? jamacfarlane (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Most of the listed sources at the article for one. And pretty much any source from more than 3 years ago, which is the vast majority of them. It's unquestionable to my mind that her WP:COMMONNAME is still Halliwell. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I recognise this is a tricky one. I've had a look at the listed sources on the article, but most predate her change of name. Personally, I recognise her as Halliwell, but that's because she was very prominent in the 90s-2000s through the Spice Girls but has had a lower profile (at least as far as I've heard) since her marriage to Horner in 2015. Per WP:NAMECHANGES we have to recognise that people change their names, and, in my view, continuing to use someone's maiden name when they have been married for 3+ years, just because readers will be more familiar with it, is unquestionably wrong. If reliable sources written after a name change routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. This is not WP:RECENTISM. I've searched recent news headlines on Google News. The first eight results, and 27 of the top 40, use "Horner". I think this routine use of the new name, and the fact it is her WP:OFFICIAL name makes it the WP:COMMONNAME. jamacfarlane (talk) 04:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as most RS now use her married name following her marriage. Iffy★Chat -- 12:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Narrowing down news articles:
 * Halliwell: People, The Guardian, News.com.au (2; also uses "Horner"), Good Housekeeping, USA Today, Harper's Bazaar, NME
 * Horner: Inquisitr (uses "Halliwell" as nee), Independent.ie, Digital Spy, RadioTimes, Today, Entertainment Tonight (ET) (but ET Canada uses "Halliwell"), BBC
 * Toss-up(?): Hello! (but primarily uses Horner), RSVP Live (more emphasis on "Halliwell"), Manchester Evening News, Billboard
 * I thought about opposing the proposal, but now I'm torn. George Ho (talk) 15:32, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think if usage is more or less 50:50 we should use the name she uses now (Horner), instead of the one she used at the peak of her fame (Halliwell), even if the latter is the most recognisable one to the general public for that reason. jamacfarlane (talk) 18:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Re-reading WP:DIVIDEDUSE (just to refresh my memory) makes me wonder whether it conflicts with WP:NAMECHANGES. Regardless, I'll say weak oppose; per that guideline, I think that "Geri Halliwell" is the less surprising name of the two. George Ho (talk) 18:50, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose Based on the name she uses for her own website.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:17, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I can vote here, just wanted to add that I've just looked this name up because an article mentioned Geri Horner and I didn't have a clue who she is. Not everyone reads British tabloids. The only Spice Girl who uses a different name than the one during her Spice Girls days is Victoria, and she is the only one who didn't have a successful solo career (no hate, she was my fav in the group, but it's still true.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.17.98 (talk) 02:04, 2 August 2018‎ (UTC)


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Contradiction in personal life section
The article currently states:
 * "In October 2016, Halliwell revealed that she and Horner were expecting their first child together... Halliwell gave birth to her second child, a son... This is her first child with Horner."

Please clarify and correct. 86.190.153.51 (talk) 14:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't see the contradiction... The same section also states "Halliwell gave birth to her daughter, Bluebell Madonna, in May 2006. The child's father is screenwriter Sacha Gervasi whom Halliwell dated in 2005." Hence Blubell is Halliwell's first child (and her first child with Gervasi), and Monatgue is her second child (and her first child with Horner). Bennv3771 (talk) 14:44, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Has she got custody of Bluebell Madonna? Valetude (talk) 00:46, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Bisexual
Since Mel B outed her, she is someone who can be considered LGBT. References all over media just now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:1419:2316:1:2:94C2:5BAF (talk) 17:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)