Talk:German Chileans

Request for information
1. "They had there main influence from amazonian culture though" was removed. The Germans who emigrated from Germany and elsewhere never passed through the Amazon.

Whoever wrote that sentence should review the difference between "there," "their," and "they're" in the English language.

2. What does this mean:

"There are German schools and German language newspapers and periodicals (e.g., CONDOR - a weekly newspaper, levy: 6,000 / economy in Chile)."

Is that a weekly newspaper? Does it have a website? 63.28.9.53 (talk) 16:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)FS


 * its weekly, here is their site .  Dentren  |  Ta lk  17:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No flags?
The infoboxes for all the other ethnic groups in Chile have flags! So why not this one? If you are German, you are German, even though you were born in another country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.244.209 (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The other Chilean ethnic groups pages shouldn't have flags either. I only happen to have this page on my watchlist.  German-ethnics may also have come from Switzerland, Austria, Bohemia/Czech Republic, Hungary/Transylvania and the Baltic Countries and Poland and various parts of Russia; using the flag of the modern German Republic is not appropriate for any of those people.  Because of this and other issues there is a guideline/policy at WP:Ethnic groups to NOT use such flags; many people like to add them, apparently for nationalistic/ethnic-pride reasons, but for various reasons they are inappropriate.  Do German Chileans have a primary loyalty to the Republic of Germany or to Chile? - that is one of the issues, for instance; or might they have been from Austria, northern Italy, the Volga??Skookum1 (talk) 18:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Genocide
This sentence Blumenthal along with Inés de Suárez who commanded the Spanish troops carried out an acts of genocide[3] [4] against is not cited properly since one one of citations is a book that speaks generally about genocides and does not mention the specific case of Chile and the secondone is a blog - which is not a reliable source. The sentece should be removed intil it has been cited properly. Dentren |  Ta lk  16:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * On the contrary I consider my referencing of the term “genocide” in this case is more than appropriate and exceeds the standards generally required to introduce edits into Wikipedia pages. To use the Oxford University publication by David Stannard American Holocaust: the Conquest of the New World as a source to use the term “genocide” is more than enough. What are the sources to start pages about the glory of the Spanish colonization of the Americas? Are the views of conventional academics and traditional scholars who write history through the eyes of Colombus more valid than Stannards - I personally do not think so.


 * You make reverts in seconds you don’t even read or give consideration to what you delete or revert. For example you say: "since one one of citations is a book that speaks generally about genocides and does not mention the specific case of Chile". The period I am discussing on the page predates the formation of the state of Chile. Another example, if you had read wikipedia policy you would know that blogs are indeed sound sources of information if the blog is in itself referenced as the one that I used was - written by a Spanish teacher (footnote reference: Marcela Rosen). So yes information from blogs can be used and are often excellent sources of information that can serve as a reliable reference. - Sincerely C-klums (talk) 18:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No. Blogs are not excellent sources of information. At least, not according to WP:SPS
 * Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media, whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, Internet forum postings, tweets etc., are largely not acceptable.


 * Likeminas (talk) 18:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I just double-checked the sources provided by C-klumsand I agree with Dentren. They are not reliable. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com is not a reliable source. But, in case you want to get a second opinion, I suggest you post it on the RSN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN) and see what others say about it. Likeminas (talk) 18:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please note that:
 * 1) As I stated before your Oxord reference does not mention the specific case of Chile (doesnt mather if it is the republic of Chile, the Genrneral Captaincy of Chile or the Prehispanic area covered now by the republic) or mentions Ines de Suarez ot Blumenthal. Using this reference to say that there was a genocide in Chile is a fallacy.
 * 2) As Linkeminas pointed out self-published blogs are not reliable sources, what if I cr4eate a blog stating that Atlantis is in Pitrufquén?
 * 3) This article is about German-Chileans and the fact that a German would have engaged in battles/massacres with natives is of little relevance to the article, but can be keeped as an interesting detail if properly sourced.
 * 4) It is resonable to think that the Spanish had not interest in carrying out a genocide since the european population was to scarce to cultivate the land or work the gold mines.
 * 5) Please try to avoid personal attacts because people will not take you seriously then. Im ready to revise my opinion if you bring new evidence that supports the views of a genocide. Dentren |  Ta lk  10:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Körner
To the best of my knowledge Emil Körner was a prussian citicen and has never adopted chilenian citicenship. Thus I'm not sure if he can be called a German Chilean, even if he made an obvious impact on chile as a german. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.204.165.95 (talk) 11:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He was commander in chief of the Army, that may a de facto citzienship. Accoding to the spanish wikipedia when he died he asked to be buried in Chile, that he called his "segunda patria" or "second homeland". But, I agree, hi is not the best example of a German-Chilean. Dentren  |  Ta lk  17:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Tomás Hirsch
Jews of German descent are normally not considered German Chileans. Therefore Tomás Hirsch is not a good example. Changing with Ena von Baer. 167.107.191.217 (talk) 20:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC) There are, however many more notable german-chileans. Betty Kretschmer and Marlene Ahrens were Olympic medalists in the '50s. Admirals, Generals, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaimebordes (talk • contribs) 21:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

"Most German Chileans were passive supporters of Nazi Germany."
I don't know anything about the subject, but this sentence sounds suspicious to me for three reasons:


 * "Most " is a common phrase used in many articles by prejudiced people.
 * "Passive supporters" is a weasel phrase often used to implicate people in things they had nothing to do with.
 * Getting "most" members of some large ethnic group to hold the same very unusual political ideology sounds like it would be pretty difficult, so that strikes me as an amazing achievement of social control on Hitler's part.

I'm not saying it's false, but I'd really appreciate more citations for this surprising claim, if anyone can provide any. I'd especially like to see one in English, but I suppose maybe that's unlikely since we're talking about Chile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.76.83 (talk) 23:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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Chris Watson (a.k.a. John Christian Tanck), Australian Prime Minister
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Watson#Early_life was born in Valparaiso - does he deserve a mention in the "German Chileans" section?

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