Talk:German commando frogmen

Page move proposal
Unless there are any objections I'm going to rename this page 'Kampfschwimmer' with either a mention of the WWII iteration or possibly split that subject off into its own page.Glorioussandwich (talk) 16:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, the article about the frogmen from WW II should be removed from this section. Here in Germany the Bundeswehr doesn´t get it´s traditions from the WW II units. With regards a nice german.°Not a Wikimember°

Article split
don't you think it would be better to split the article into a Kampfschwimmer and a WWII frogmen article?

Is this all about frogmen, and not about (badly translated) 'Marines'?


 * Here in Germany we don't have any Marines we only have our frogmen comperable to the SEALS. (This comment was added by me --Pentiumforever 21:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC))

The box should not state that the "Kampfschwimmer" are part of the "Bundespolizei" for they are a part of the German Navy ("Bundesmarine" in German). To be precise they are part of the "SEK M" ("Spezialisierte Einsatzkräfte Marine") which is not to be confused with the "SEK"("Spezialeinsatzkommando")-division of the "Bundespolizei" and the various "SEK"-divisions of the various federal states.

"1943: Admiral Karl Dönitz orders vice-admiral H. Heyes to create a special unit. One gives him the name of Kleinkampf Mittel Verband but it is more known under the name of Force K. Its first men, including von Wurzian, were trained by Italian Decima Flottiglia MAS men, who already had good experience. (The German SS also had a frogman section.)"

Are there any sources for the term 'Kleinkampf Mittel Verband'? Does not look like a German phrase to me, which would be 'Kleinkampf Mittelverband' since the German language tends to connect nouns. --84.75.68.205 16:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

reqs
There is no high school in germany - recommend to remove the second point, because it is wrong as it does not exist! Also agree that this should be split into a WWII and a seperate Kampfschwimmer article.


 * 1) They possess a Realschulabschluss school qualification (10 years), or equivalent
 * 2) They were successfully educated at a high school or equivalent, with favorable exam passes.

Name outdated
Kampfschwimmer, SEK M, Verwendungsgruppe 3402 and German commando frogmen are outdated. Through the restructuring of the Bundeswehr they are now the "Kommando Spezialkräfte der Marine (KSM)" (engl. Special Forces Command of the Navy). Source --StillHere (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2013 (UTC)