Talk:German wine classification

Propose Merge
I feel like this page can be merged into German wine. As it is now, the german wine classification section has more information than this page. --Eubanks718 20:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I would disagree with the merge. Both these articles are essentially stubs with potential for expansion. The German Wine page should focus on the history and discussion on the particular wine regions in Germany while this page can be expanded with more details on German wine regulation, the VDP and other various associations. IF both articles are written to their full potential, it would be an overwhelming monster of an article if the two topics were merged as one. Agne 20:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with this, and oppose a merge. Gotox 11:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

At the very least all the German wine classifications should be dealt with one page. The terms Kabinett, Spatlese, etc make most sense in relation to each other. Then this information should be merged with German wine. An thorough understanding of the classification is essential to an understanding of German wine. The current section on the German Wine page is not sufficient. Indeed it is misleading. It doesn't deal with the concepts of Must Weight which is central to the classifications. Colman Stephenson 00:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC) ColmanStephenson


 * Oppose merger with German wine, at least until all the individual classifications have been merged into this article and we can see what we've got. It's true that the classification system goes to the heart of German wine, but I think there's probably more to be said than can fit in the German wine article.  I'm open to the idea of revisiting this issue in 6-12 months time though. FlagSteward 13:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Opposing the merge: I think TBA should stand as a separate entry, as well as other Pradikat Classifications. There are more details to write here and incorporating all of them into QmP article would it too long and tedious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * The various Prädikate all merit their own (short) articles, since they are used both in Germany and Austria, with slightly different different definitions and requirements. Redirecting all Prädikat names to the main article on German wine classification would therefore be misleading. Tomas e 15:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge Qualitätswein mit Prädikat

 * Support this and every other merger proposal of the individual classifications into this article. FlagSteward 13:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Action In the absence of any other opinions, I did the bold thing and merged :-) Could do with a copyedit though, perhaps it would be better to merge in QbA etc first FlagSteward 00:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * On further consideration, I think TBA and BA should remain as separate articles and oppose their merger - they're the sort of word you want to link to a lot, and aren't exclusive to this article as they have different definitions in Austria. I've merged QbA though. FlagSteward 15:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with your reasoning though I do wonder if TBA & BA should be merged together? They have quite a lot of content that overlaps but then what would the article be called? AgneCheese/Wine 18:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "Dessert wines from German-speaking countries"? :-) I can think of several ways of unifying that title that would be in rather bad taste for our Austrian friends.... I see three options :
 * Leave BA and TBA as separate articles
 * Merge them into here and Austrian wine, current articles become disambiguations
 * Merge TBA into BA, so the combined article is called Beerenauslese.
 * I can see advantages in all three approaches so don't really have an opinion at this stage. FlagSteward 14:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I see no consensus to merge so I am going to remove the merge tags. Maybe that will revive the discussion. If so, feel free to revert. --Bduke 08:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thoughts on assessment
This one is a little more borderline of a B-namely because of the glaring absence of a major section on the history and development of the classification. It goes into great details about what the classification is, and even mentioning some historical classifications, but there is a huge gap in understanding how exactly the system came to be. The wine label section is also tiny and could use more of a summary style but the missing history & development section is a larger concern. AgneCheese/Wine 23:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Almost never imported into the United States
This article would carry more authority if other possible importing countries were acknowledged. Afterbrunel (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

NEEDS UPDATING ON COMPLICATED NEW DRY WINE AND GREAT/PRIMEUR CLASSIFICATIONS
There have been important changes in official and VDP classification "rules" for dry wines for Grosses Gewachs/Grosses Lage/Erste Lage, etc. as of 2012. It is extremely confusing to most, even professionals. An expert on the new classifications needs to be found to update this section, as the regime is now phasing out some of these classification and their regional distinctions, and heading towards a more generalized "Grosses Lage" for all top sites, and "Grosses Gewachs" for dry wines from the top sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blotz1 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Merge German wine label
I think that the information contained in the German wine label article fits firmly into the context of this article and doesn't really need its own page. There's already a section on the label in this article; it makes sense to just pull the information over. Ducknish 15:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed and ✅ Klbrain (talk) 15:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

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